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	<title>Comments on: How the Bay Area caused home prices to go up nationally&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Jagjeet Singh</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2007/02/16/how-the-bay-area-caused-home-prices-to-go-up-nationally/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Jagjeet Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 03:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would the bay area prices going up again?
Are people crazy or not done yet...

There are tons of foreclosures pending and I guess they need one more lesson :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would the bay area prices going up again?<br />
Are people crazy or not done yet&#8230;</p>
<p>There are tons of foreclosures pending and I guess they need one more lesson <img src='http://www.burbed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: 3rd Inning of MBS crisis..Hussman - Early Retirement Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>3rd Inning of MBS crisis..Hussman - Early Retirement Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ignore the discussion of one market vs. another; just look at the red lines versus the green lines. How the Bay Area caused home prices to go up nationally [Burbed.com] The further away green gets from red, the more situation = bad, which you kind of acknowledge. But, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ignore the discussion of one market vs. another; just look at the red lines versus the green lines. How the Bay Area caused home prices to go up nationally [Burbed.com] The further away green gets from red, the more situation = bad, which you kind of acknowledge. But, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
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		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what makes you think incomes and home prices need to be in a particular constant relationship?
There is no natural law that demands this, no economic law. Only a lending guideline, my friends.

Look at gas prices. 3x, more actually, from 1993. Why aren&#039;t you talking about a bubble in gas?

Or milk, $7 a gallon for Organic milk at Safeway or any other major market. Where&#039;s the milk bubble?

Here&#039;s one primary factor for much of the cost increase in the Bay Area, government greed. Yep, local governments figured out that they could strong arm the builders to fund their socialist experiments in &quot;low income&quot; or even better, once they figured out that was a bit too much truth in advertising, &quot;inclusionary&quot; housing. The &quot;impact fee&quot;, is often $150K per unit.  Do you have any concept of how much instant unaffordability that builds into the market? Some greedy local city decides to redistribute some wealth and suddenly every house in the city gets a $150K boost, minimum. So there it is folks, there is more than one reason for everything.

If you&#039;re a simpleton, keep digesting tripe like burbed.com simple information and you&#039;ll be happy. If you want to understand things, you have to be a bit more analytical about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what makes you think incomes and home prices need to be in a particular constant relationship?<br />
There is no natural law that demands this, no economic law. Only a lending guideline, my friends.</p>
<p>Look at gas prices. 3x, more actually, from 1993. Why aren&#8217;t you talking about a bubble in gas?</p>
<p>Or milk, $7 a gallon for Organic milk at Safeway or any other major market. Where&#8217;s the milk bubble?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one primary factor for much of the cost increase in the Bay Area, government greed. Yep, local governments figured out that they could strong arm the builders to fund their socialist experiments in &#8220;low income&#8221; or even better, once they figured out that was a bit too much truth in advertising, &#8220;inclusionary&#8221; housing. The &#8220;impact fee&#8221;, is often $150K per unit.  Do you have any concept of how much instant unaffordability that builds into the market? Some greedy local city decides to redistribute some wealth and suddenly every house in the city gets a $150K boost, minimum. So there it is folks, there is more than one reason for everything.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a simpleton, keep digesting tripe like burbed.com simple information and you&#8217;ll be happy. If you want to understand things, you have to be a bit more analytical about it.</p>
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		<title>By: densityduck</title>
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		<dc:creator>densityduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A house (well, a &lt;i&gt;townhouse&lt;/i&gt;) in my neighborhood went on the market in April for about $550k.

In June, it re-listed with a different agent at $535k.

In July, it re-listed with a &lt;i&gt;third&lt;/i&gt; agent at $515k.

I&#039;m walking by it the other day, and the &quot;$515&quot; is crossed out and &quot;$500&quot; penciled in...

So that&#039;s a 10% drop in asking price over the past in less than six months.  Has the bubble popped yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A house (well, a <i>townhouse</i>) in my neighborhood went on the market in April for about $550k.</p>
<p>In June, it re-listed with a different agent at $535k.</p>
<p>In July, it re-listed with a <i>third</i> agent at $515k.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m walking by it the other day, and the &#8220;$515&#8243; is crossed out and &#8220;$500&#8243; penciled in&#8230;</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s a 10% drop in asking price over the past in less than six months.  Has the bubble popped yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Thanks SFGate! -- Burbed.com: Your San Francisco Bay Area Home and Mortgage Insanity Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thanks SFGate! -- Burbed.com: Your San Francisco Bay Area Home and Mortgage Insanity Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Have you seen the stats on how the Bay Area is such the perfect place to live, full of good restaurants, smart people, and great weather that our housing prices soared even as &#8220;more people left than they did in Detroit&#8221;? Nothing says strong fundamentals like our best of class income/price ratio: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Have you seen the stats on how the Bay Area is such the perfect place to live, full of good restaurants, smart people, and great weather that our housing prices soared even as &#8220;more people left than they did in Detroit&#8221;? Nothing says strong fundamentals like our best of class income/price ratio: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: burbed</title>
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		<dc:creator>burbed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;You leave for LV or Miami or SoCal … as far from BA as you can…

There&#039;s the problem right there.

No one wants to leave the Bay Area - it&#039;s the most special and perfect palce on earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>You leave for LV or Miami or SoCal … as far from BA as you can…</p>
<p>There&#8217;s the problem right there.</p>
<p>No one wants to leave the Bay Area &#8211; it&#8217;s the most special and perfect palce on earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10,674 people at Google.

Actually you can dice that even further.
When Goog went public they only had some 3000 world wide?  But thats ok too... No you really have to go back even further. Say 1998-2001 for fully vested options to take effect.  Now we are talking around 500 employes per their S1 when they filed. It also depends on number of options granted. Some only get 1000 shares.  No big impact. Read their Cap Table in S-1. As one news story pointed out back during the IPO only 300 or so benefited.

So ok, lets really ask these 300 or so how they felt when they Google Hit 300-400 per share.

I will tell you. Everythings changed.  You wake up! Call you broker sell everything. Send an email to your new boss that was hired last month! ( You really cant stand this guy, because you know more and he came from a dead busted company) and give your notice. You go back to bed and sleep.

Next you move out of the Bay Area to LV or Miami where prices are 1/3 and homes are 2x bigger.

You dont even bother to stick around Bay Area. You see once the realtors in Palo Alto figure your from Google, which they ultimatly do via background check.
Your toast! They will jack up real estate prices 100%
And you can pay because your from Google. Everyone is like that! Your life has changed and you need to leave fast before you loose everything.

You leave for LV or Miami or SoCal ... as far from BA as you can...
There is no sales tax or state income tax and you live on 5% of your cash. I doubt you will find anyone from IPO date working at Google. They are all gone just like the Yahoo and other dot.coms.

For full disclosure I worked for two tech companies that went IPO in 1994 and 1996. By 2000 I had $2.5M and that grew to $6M by 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10,674 people at Google.</p>
<p>Actually you can dice that even further.<br />
When Goog went public they only had some 3000 world wide?  But thats ok too&#8230; No you really have to go back even further. Say 1998-2001 for fully vested options to take effect.  Now we are talking around 500 employes per their S1 when they filed. It also depends on number of options granted. Some only get 1000 shares.  No big impact. Read their Cap Table in S-1. As one news story pointed out back during the IPO only 300 or so benefited.</p>
<p>So ok, lets really ask these 300 or so how they felt when they Google Hit 300-400 per share.</p>
<p>I will tell you. Everythings changed.  You wake up! Call you broker sell everything. Send an email to your new boss that was hired last month! ( You really cant stand this guy, because you know more and he came from a dead busted company) and give your notice. You go back to bed and sleep.</p>
<p>Next you move out of the Bay Area to LV or Miami where prices are 1/3 and homes are 2x bigger.</p>
<p>You dont even bother to stick around Bay Area. You see once the realtors in Palo Alto figure your from Google, which they ultimatly do via background check.<br />
Your toast! They will jack up real estate prices 100%<br />
And you can pay because your from Google. Everyone is like that! Your life has changed and you need to leave fast before you loose everything.</p>
<p>You leave for LV or Miami or SoCal &#8230; as far from BA as you can&#8230;<br />
There is no sales tax or state income tax and you live on 5% of your cash. I doubt you will find anyone from IPO date working at Google. They are all gone just like the Yahoo and other dot.coms.</p>
<p>For full disclosure I worked for two tech companies that went IPO in 1994 and 1996. By 2000 I had $2.5M and that grew to $6M by 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Affordability is the lowest here of anywhere in the U.S.&#8221; - Long Island is less affordable?? -- Burbed.com: Your Silicon Valley Home and Mortgage Insanity Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2007/02/16/how-the-bay-area-caused-home-prices-to-go-up-nationally/#comment-787</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Affordability is the lowest here of anywhere in the U.S.&#8221; - Long Island is less affordable?? -- Burbed.com: Your Silicon Valley Home and Mortgage Insanity Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s a chart using the same data from this entry: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here&#8217;s a chart using the same data from this entry: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O I forgot w/ such high wages around here, most people should have 70k saved up or 140k saved up in no time to buy that starter home :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O I forgot w/ such high wages around here, most people should have 70k saved up or 140k saved up in no time to buy that starter home <img src='http://www.burbed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: burbed</title>
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		<dc:creator>burbed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t exaggerate - with 10% down, it&#039;s only $3879 a month. With 20% down, it&#039;s only $3448 a month.

That&#039;s only $46,548 or $41,376 a year in mortgage payments.

But just think, you would get $10k back in tax deductions. That should at least cover the property tax and insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t exaggerate &#8211; with 10% down, it&#8217;s only $3879 a month. With 20% down, it&#8217;s only $3448 a month.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s only $46,548 or $41,376 a year in mortgage payments.</p>
<p>But just think, you would get $10k back in tax deductions. That should at least cover the property tax and insurance.</p>
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