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		<title>By: ex-sunnyvale-renter</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2007/12/12/how-slumping-home-prices-impact-property-taxes/#comment-3524</link>
		<dc:creator>ex-sunnyvale-renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3rd Generation - It&#039;s native speakers of English who can&#039;t read English, I&#039;d even go so far as to say most of the non-native speakers are reading things more carefully!

2 people working at Togo&#039;s can make $40k a year, no problem. $10 an hour base pay, or $11 an hour, which I remember was just a hair under $20k, times 2, = $40k.

Anyway those people living 20 to a house in Hollister are just as likely white native-born as anyone, I saw this in Orange County the last recession, 4 living in one shoebox studio, living all poor and crammed together is not something immigrants have all to themselves you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3rd Generation &#8211; It&#8217;s native speakers of English who can&#8217;t read English, I&#8217;d even go so far as to say most of the non-native speakers are reading things more carefully!</p>
<p>2 people working at Togo&#8217;s can make $40k a year, no problem. $10 an hour base pay, or $11 an hour, which I remember was just a hair under $20k, times 2, = $40k.</p>
<p>Anyway those people living 20 to a house in Hollister are just as likely white native-born as anyone, I saw this in Orange County the last recession, 4 living in one shoebox studio, living all poor and crammed together is not something immigrants have all to themselves you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2007/12/12/how-slumping-home-prices-impact-property-taxes/#comment-3523</link>
		<dc:creator>Some Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, you&#039;re right!  You California folks should RAISE property taxes (screw Prop 13).  Use the extra tax funds to disrtibute to homeowners to make sure that investing in California remains &quot;special.&quot;

Although, I have to admit, it would be doubly ironic if, instead of property taxes, California raised income taxes on renters to pay to make sure property owners are covered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, you&#8217;re right!  You California folks should RAISE property taxes (screw Prop 13).  Use the extra tax funds to disrtibute to homeowners to make sure that investing in California remains &#8220;special.&#8221;</p>
<p>Although, I have to admit, it would be doubly ironic if, instead of property taxes, California raised income taxes on renters to pay to make sure property owners are covered.</p>
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		<title>By: burbed</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2007/12/12/how-slumping-home-prices-impact-property-taxes/#comment-3522</link>
		<dc:creator>burbed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you needed to know about Prop 13 here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1978)#Aftermath_in_California

BTW, did you notice that even Togo employees make $40k a year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you needed to know about Prop 13 here:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1978)#Aftermath_in_California" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1978)#Aftermath_in_California</a></p>
<p>BTW, did you notice that even Togo employees make $40k a year?</p>
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		<title>By: 3rd Generation</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2007/12/12/how-slumping-home-prices-impact-property-taxes/#comment-3521</link>
		<dc:creator>3rd Generation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New US (citizens only) National Anthem titled:

&quot;I&#039;m a Viiictiim&quot;

Benjamin Franklin was right. The emblem of the US should NOT be the Eagle it SHOULD be the Turkey...

Exerpted from Housing Panic Blog: (I couldn&#039;t make this stuff up)

“Martinez said struggling borrowers have flocked to his office asking for help. ‘They can’t read English. Whatever people told them, they believed,’ he said. ‘They were misled to think they would be able to refinance. When they go to refinance, they find out about the prepayment penalty.’”

(Fu*king Illiterate Idiots,  they signed, they responsible)

“One case involves people who make $40,000 a year making sandwiches at Togo’s. They bought a $680,000 home and can’t afford it.”

(Arrest everyone associated with the transaction for felony fraud and freeze their assets until trial, revoke passports)concurrent IRS punitive examination.

“He advises borrowers to stay in their homes even if they can’t make payments. ‘I know a house in Hollister where three families are living together, 20 people in one house,’ he said.”

(Place Martinez under arrest and freeze assets, revoke passport (make something up - the Feds do it all the time) Immediately investigate claim of Hollister crash pad and business.)

December 13, 2007 1:20 AM

Have a Wonderful Depression year in 2008. We deserve everything that is coming, and MORE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New US (citizens only) National Anthem titled:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m a Viiictiim&#8221;</p>
<p>Benjamin Franklin was right. The emblem of the US should NOT be the Eagle it SHOULD be the Turkey&#8230;</p>
<p>Exerpted from Housing Panic Blog: (I couldn&#8217;t make this stuff up)</p>
<p>“Martinez said struggling borrowers have flocked to his office asking for help. ‘They can’t read English. Whatever people told them, they believed,’ he said. ‘They were misled to think they would be able to refinance. When they go to refinance, they find out about the prepayment penalty.’”</p>
<p>(Fu*king Illiterate Idiots,  they signed, they responsible)</p>
<p>“One case involves people who make $40,000 a year making sandwiches at Togo’s. They bought a $680,000 home and can’t afford it.”</p>
<p>(Arrest everyone associated with the transaction for felony fraud and freeze their assets until trial, revoke passports)concurrent IRS punitive examination.</p>
<p>“He advises borrowers to stay in their homes even if they can’t make payments. ‘I know a house in Hollister where three families are living together, 20 people in one house,’ he said.”</p>
<p>(Place Martinez under arrest and freeze assets, revoke passport (make something up &#8211; the Feds do it all the time) Immediately investigate claim of Hollister crash pad and business.)</p>
<p>December 13, 2007 1:20 AM</p>
<p>Have a Wonderful Depression year in 2008. We deserve everything that is coming, and MORE.</p>
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		<title>By: ex-sunnyvale-renter</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2007/12/12/how-slumping-home-prices-impact-property-taxes/#comment-3520</link>
		<dc:creator>ex-sunnyvale-renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was told what&#039;s probably the Official Party Line on Prop. 13, which was that it was an awful crying shame that little old grandmothers in California were ending up having to sell because they could not afford the taxes on their little old grandmother houses. So the nice politicians passed Prop 13 so little old grandmothers in California could keep their homes.

how true this is, I don&#039;t know.

I think there were a lot of people who&#039;d bought their houses long before, and the tax-reevaluations were coming up with in some cases more in taxes than the houses originally had cost.

It could have also made it a lot more profitable for little old grandmothers to sell their California houses and go back to Davenport, Iowa, because the new buyer would know their tax would remain fixed. In fact, now that I think about it, Prop 13 may have done a lot to encourage this RE bubble in California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was told what&#8217;s probably the Official Party Line on Prop. 13, which was that it was an awful crying shame that little old grandmothers in California were ending up having to sell because they could not afford the taxes on their little old grandmother houses. So the nice politicians passed Prop 13 so little old grandmothers in California could keep their homes.</p>
<p>how true this is, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>I think there were a lot of people who&#8217;d bought their houses long before, and the tax-reevaluations were coming up with in some cases more in taxes than the houses originally had cost.</p>
<p>It could have also made it a lot more profitable for little old grandmothers to sell their California houses and go back to Davenport, Iowa, because the new buyer would know their tax would remain fixed. In fact, now that I think about it, Prop 13 may have done a lot to encourage this RE bubble in California.</p>
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		<title>By: hedda</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2007/12/12/how-slumping-home-prices-impact-property-taxes/#comment-3519</link>
		<dc:creator>hedda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was under the impression that Prop 13 was passed, in part, because richer towns with more property tax revenue had an &quot;unfair advantage&quot; than poorer towns with regards to public services, schools, roads, utilities, etc.  Prop 13, I thought, diverted the property tax income to the state instead of the local communities, so your argument doesn&#039;t really stand up there, esr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was under the impression that Prop 13 was passed, in part, because richer towns with more property tax revenue had an &#8220;unfair advantage&#8221; than poorer towns with regards to public services, schools, roads, utilities, etc.  Prop 13, I thought, diverted the property tax income to the state instead of the local communities, so your argument doesn&#8217;t really stand up there, esr.</p>
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		<title>By: ex-sunnyvale-renter</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2007/12/12/how-slumping-home-prices-impact-property-taxes/#comment-3518</link>
		<dc:creator>ex-sunnyvale-renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the premise of this thread is that lower property tax revenues are bad, because city/county/state spending has been calculated based on the property tax as it was: On inflated and rapidly inflating property.

But with house values going down something like 20% a year, the things the taxes were going for are going to feel a pinch.

My own point is: But wait, it gets WORSE - that house that used to generate $1000 a month or more in taxes is now paying nothing, since it&#039;s abandoned and full of squatters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the premise of this thread is that lower property tax revenues are bad, because city/county/state spending has been calculated based on the property tax as it was: On inflated and rapidly inflating property.</p>
<p>But with house values going down something like 20% a year, the things the taxes were going for are going to feel a pinch.</p>
<p>My own point is: But wait, it gets WORSE &#8211; that house that used to generate $1000 a month or more in taxes is now paying nothing, since it&#8217;s abandoned and full of squatters.</p>
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		<title>By: hedda</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2007/12/12/how-slumping-home-prices-impact-property-taxes/#comment-3517</link>
		<dc:creator>hedda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How sad is your life when you have to take out home equity loans to pay your property tax.  Isn&#039;t that one of the great indicators that you&#039;re in too much home for your income?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How sad is your life when you have to take out home equity loans to pay your property tax.  Isn&#8217;t that one of the great indicators that you&#8217;re in too much home for your income?</p>
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		<title>By: Depression of 2008 - 2009</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2007/12/12/how-slumping-home-prices-impact-property-taxes/#comment-3516</link>
		<dc:creator>Depression of 2008 - 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since she blames her Son for not allowing her to work a second job (to pay her taxes, boo hoo hoo), maybe she should make a decision to either raise her child or get out of a house she shouldn&#039;t have bought on a gamble of ever-higher prices and now cannot afford to keep?

or

Keep the house and get rid of the children?

Chicken or Egg First?

No $ Downers ARE DOOMED. GIVE UP THE KEYS NOW. TURN OFF THE LIGHTS. GET OUT. TRY AGAIN NEXT CYCLE. YOU LOSE FOR NOW. You WILL HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE, DO NOT WORRY. AMERICA IS FUNNY THAT WAY.

Call El Presidente Jorge Bushco (use the correted HOPE #). He loves stories like this. Maybe he will personally cut you a check? He could pretend to be Santa Claus when he is through pretending to be President.

NO MERCY. DAY OF RECKONING COMING SOON.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since she blames her Son for not allowing her to work a second job (to pay her taxes, boo hoo hoo), maybe she should make a decision to either raise her child or get out of a house she shouldn&#8217;t have bought on a gamble of ever-higher prices and now cannot afford to keep?</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>Keep the house and get rid of the children?</p>
<p>Chicken or Egg First?</p>
<p>No $ Downers ARE DOOMED. GIVE UP THE KEYS NOW. TURN OFF THE LIGHTS. GET OUT. TRY AGAIN NEXT CYCLE. YOU LOSE FOR NOW. You WILL HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE, DO NOT WORRY. AMERICA IS FUNNY THAT WAY.</p>
<p>Call El Presidente Jorge Bushco (use the correted HOPE #). He loves stories like this. Maybe he will personally cut you a check? He could pretend to be Santa Claus when he is through pretending to be President.</p>
<p>NO MERCY. DAY OF RECKONING COMING SOON.</p>
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		<title>By: Countrywide</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2007/12/12/how-slumping-home-prices-impact-property-taxes/#comment-3515</link>
		<dc:creator>Countrywide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See Comment #4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See Comment #4</p>
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