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	<title>Comments on: Why does Christopher Thornberg hate freedom?</title>
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		<title>By: RealEstater</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2008/04/20/why-does-christopher-thornberg-hate-freedom/#comment-16437</link>
		<dc:creator>RealEstater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High price levels actual has certain benefits. It&#039;s a way to ensure the quality of your neighbors, which affects the quality of your neighborhood and the quality of your schools. If price were affordable, then anybody could move in next door. Those places are called ghettos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High price levels actual has certain benefits. It&#8217;s a way to ensure the quality of your neighbors, which affects the quality of your neighborhood and the quality of your schools. If price were affordable, then anybody could move in next door. Those places are called ghettos.</p>
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		<title>By: Crossroads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crossroads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That makes sense. Smarter people have smarter children and smarter schools. 

Cupertino!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That makes sense. Smarter people have smarter children and smarter schools. </p>
<p>Cupertino!</p>
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		<title>By: madhaus</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2008/04/20/why-does-christopher-thornberg-hate-freedom/#comment-16394</link>
		<dc:creator>madhaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The myth of the good school: the book Freakonomics makes a pretty good case that the quality of the school is not the most influential factor in individual academic achievement. I propose that “good schools” result not from not the schools themselves, but from being populated by motivated students from households that can afford beat the competition to buy houses in “good school” areas.&lt;/i&gt;

Ross, a long time ago when I took my SATs for college I ordered a bunch of the supplementary reports you could ask for.  And guess what was the best correlation with SAT score?  High school grades?  Nope.  Number of AP classes taken?  Nope.  Percentage of kids in your high school who were college-bound?  Nope?  It was.... &lt;b&gt;Family income!&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Plus ca change, Plus c&#039;est la meme chose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The myth of the good school: the book Freakonomics makes a pretty good case that the quality of the school is not the most influential factor in individual academic achievement. I propose that “good schools” result not from not the schools themselves, but from being populated by motivated students from households that can afford beat the competition to buy houses in “good school” areas.</i></p>
<p>Ross, a long time ago when I took my SATs for college I ordered a bunch of the supplementary reports you could ask for.  And guess what was the best correlation with SAT score?  High school grades?  Nope.  Number of AP classes taken?  Nope.  Percentage of kids in your high school who were college-bound?  Nope?  It was&#8230;. <b>Family income!</b></p>
<p><i>Plus ca change, Plus c&#8217;est la meme chose.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2008/04/20/why-does-christopher-thornberg-hate-freedom/#comment-16393</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The myth of the good school: the book Freakonomics makes a pretty good case that the quality of the school is not the most influential factor in individual academic achievement.  I propose that &quot;good schools&quot; result not from not the schools themselves, but from being populated by motivated students from households that can afford beat the competition to buy houses in &quot;good school&quot; areas.

So why do home shoppers so rabidly seek out &quot;good schools&quot;?  Perhaps they recall their own miserable high school experience, and believe, &quot;If I get my child into a good school, he/she won&#039;t have to endure what I did.&quot;  However, I believe this is also a myth, and that &quot;good schools&quot; often inflict more misery through cliques and peer pressure than &quot;not good schools.&quot;  I call this the 90201 Effect.

Also, make sure your kid plays plenty of computer games, and watches reality TV (to find out why, read &quot;Everything Bad is Good For You&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The myth of the good school: the book Freakonomics makes a pretty good case that the quality of the school is not the most influential factor in individual academic achievement.  I propose that &#8220;good schools&#8221; result not from not the schools themselves, but from being populated by motivated students from households that can afford beat the competition to buy houses in &#8220;good school&#8221; areas.</p>
<p>So why do home shoppers so rabidly seek out &#8220;good schools&#8221;?  Perhaps they recall their own miserable high school experience, and believe, &#8220;If I get my child into a good school, he/she won&#8217;t have to endure what I did.&#8221;  However, I believe this is also a myth, and that &#8220;good schools&#8221; often inflict more misery through cliques and peer pressure than &#8220;not good schools.&#8221;  I call this the 90201 Effect.</p>
<p>Also, make sure your kid plays plenty of computer games, and watches reality TV (to find out why, read &#8220;Everything Bad is Good For You&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: SantaClarite</title>
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		<dc:creator>SantaClarite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction, that should have read &quot;I’d only pay 300k, max 350k for a house that I can rent out for 3k per month&quot; not 1k..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction, that should have read &#8220;I’d only pay 300k, max 350k for a house that I can rent out for 3k per month&#8221; not 1k..</p>
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		<title>By: SantaClarite</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2008/04/20/why-does-christopher-thornberg-hate-freedom/#comment-16373</link>
		<dc:creator>SantaClarite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You can buy a nice newish home in the 700K to 800K range, and rent them out for up to $3K / month without too much effort.&quot;

I&#039;d only pay 300k, max 350k for a house that I can rent out for 1k per month. so the rent has to rise 2.5x or price has to fall 60%. Wake me up when the price and the rent converge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can buy a nice newish home in the 700K to 800K range, and rent them out for up to $3K / month without too much effort.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d only pay 300k, max 350k for a house that I can rent out for 1k per month. so the rent has to rise 2.5x or price has to fall 60%. Wake me up when the price and the rent converge.</p>
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		<title>By: MSG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, San Ramon??  I&#039;ve got to look into that too.  

Wow, thanks for the heads up, guys.  I didn&#039;t know that the school districts in San Mateo County sucked that bad.  Who would have thought.  How about the schools in Burlingame?  How are they?  

Well, i&#039;m not that upbeat on the prospects of public education in California.  The public school system here is laying off teachers in the masses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, San Ramon??  I&#8217;ve got to look into that too.  </p>
<p>Wow, thanks for the heads up, guys.  I didn&#8217;t know that the school districts in San Mateo County sucked that bad.  Who would have thought.  How about the schools in Burlingame?  How are they?  </p>
<p>Well, i&#8217;m not that upbeat on the prospects of public education in California.  The public school system here is laying off teachers in the masses.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Estater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Estater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WG,

You might want to consider San Ramon for your investment property. School districts are excellent. You can buy a nice newish home in the 700K to 800K range, and rent them out for up to $3K / month without too much effort. Prices have bottomed there and should head up in the future. I think the location is quite promising, as it is within acceptable commute distance to the job centers in SF, Oakland, Pleasanton, all the way down to Fremont.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WG,</p>
<p>You might want to consider San Ramon for your investment property. School districts are excellent. You can buy a nice newish home in the 700K to 800K range, and rent them out for up to $3K / month without too much effort. Prices have bottomed there and should head up in the future. I think the location is quite promising, as it is within acceptable commute distance to the job centers in SF, Oakland, Pleasanton, all the way down to Fremont.</p>
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		<title>By: WillowGlenner</title>
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		<dc:creator>WillowGlenner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh sorry Crossroads, I see you already mentioned &quot;Dangerous Minds&quot;.  LOL.  I posted before I read all of the postings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh sorry Crossroads, I see you already mentioned &#8220;Dangerous Minds&#8221;.  LOL.  I posted before I read all of the postings.</p>
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		<title>By: WillowGlenner</title>
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		<dc:creator>WillowGlenner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, San Mateo County schools are really horrible.  Does anybody remember that really old Michelle Pfeiffer movie where she was a teacher in a &quot;wrong side of the tracks&quot; school (Dangerous minds, I think?).  The scriptwriter actually based it on CARLMONT HIGH SCHOOL in Belmont!  Not only that, Bill Clinton once spoke at Carlmont in the 90s to discuss his education agenda and not in a good way!
The fact that San Mateo and San Carlos/Belmont schools are so bad, is one reason I believe schools are only a secondary element to house prices here.  My area Willow Glen has better schools than San Mateo county, for sure, although they are not the best schools in santa clara valley.  And Campbell Union schools are MUCH, MUCH better than any schools in San Mateo/Seqouia district.  The area in San Mateo county with excellent schools is Foster City- thats where you live if you want schools, but it is not the most expensive area up that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, San Mateo County schools are really horrible.  Does anybody remember that really old Michelle Pfeiffer movie where she was a teacher in a &#8220;wrong side of the tracks&#8221; school (Dangerous minds, I think?).  The scriptwriter actually based it on CARLMONT HIGH SCHOOL in Belmont!  Not only that, Bill Clinton once spoke at Carlmont in the 90s to discuss his education agenda and not in a good way!<br />
The fact that San Mateo and San Carlos/Belmont schools are so bad, is one reason I believe schools are only a secondary element to house prices here.  My area Willow Glen has better schools than San Mateo county, for sure, although they are not the best schools in santa clara valley.  And Campbell Union schools are MUCH, MUCH better than any schools in San Mateo/Seqouia district.  The area in San Mateo county with excellent schools is Foster City- thats where you live if you want schools, but it is not the most expensive area up that way.</p>
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		<title>By: RealEstater</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealEstater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since PA and EPA are in different counties, only a few tokens from EPA go to PA. Most are sent to other districts within San Mateo County such as Belmont.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since PA and EPA are in different counties, only a few tokens from EPA go to PA. Most are sent to other districts within San Mateo County such as Belmont.</p>
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		<title>By: Crossroads</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2008/04/20/why-does-christopher-thornberg-hate-freedom/#comment-16339</link>
		<dc:creator>Crossroads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does EPA really have that many students to spread around?</description>
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		<title>By: been_there_done_that</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2008/04/20/why-does-christopher-thornberg-hate-freedom/#comment-16331</link>
		<dc:creator>been_there_done_that</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EPA students also go to Palo Alto schools.</description>
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		<title>By: Crossroads</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2008/04/20/why-does-christopher-thornberg-hate-freedom/#comment-16322</link>
		<dc:creator>Crossroads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought RE was joking, but it&#039;s true:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlmont_High_School#Trivia

&gt;&gt;The novel My Posse Don&#039;t Do Homework by LouAnne Johnson and subsequent movie Dangerous Minds were loosely based upon events that occurred at Carlmont in the 1990s. These &#039;Dangerous Minds&#039; students were from East Palo Alto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought RE was joking, but it&#8217;s true:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlmont_High_School#Trivia" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlmont_High_School#Trivia</a></p>
<p>&gt;&gt;The novel My Posse Don&#8217;t Do Homework by LouAnne Johnson and subsequent movie Dangerous Minds were loosely based upon events that occurred at Carlmont in the 1990s. These &#8216;Dangerous Minds&#8217; students were from East Palo Alto.</p>
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		<title>By: RealEstater</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealEstater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSG,

You are aware that EPA students get bused to Belmont schools, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSG,</p>
<p>You are aware that EPA students get bused to Belmont schools, right?</p>
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		<title>By: MSG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a side note, we did see a beautiful house in Belmont on Notre Dame.  This is a house I would have bought had the bedrooms been a bit bigger.  The lot was huge, it had a great view, wasn&#039;t on a steep hill, and have a fantastic yard.  That one did sell, and we confirmed it went over asking price on multiple offers.  There is one caveat, i&#039;m not sure if the price was reduced before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a side note, we did see a beautiful house in Belmont on Notre Dame.  This is a house I would have bought had the bedrooms been a bit bigger.  The lot was huge, it had a great view, wasn&#8217;t on a steep hill, and have a fantastic yard.  That one did sell, and we confirmed it went over asking price on multiple offers.  There is one caveat, i&#8217;m not sure if the price was reduced before.</p>
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		<title>By: MSG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to say, a random sample isn&#039;t necessarily a small sample--which is why that study is flawed.

Random sampling is good.  A random but small sample isn&#039;t that good.  That study wasn&#039;t random for the Bay Area or even SF.  So, i&#039;m my estimation, the study was skewed and had a small sample.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to say, a random sample isn&#8217;t necessarily a small sample&#8211;which is why that study is flawed.</p>
<p>Random sampling is good.  A random but small sample isn&#8217;t that good.  That study wasn&#8217;t random for the Bay Area or even SF.  So, i&#8217;m my estimation, the study was skewed and had a small sample.</p>
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		<title>By: MSG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE,

A random sample isn&#039;t a small sample.  You can have a large random sample, or a small random sample, and you could also have large skewed samples, and small skewed samples.  Obviously, you will want a large random sample to infer characteristics on the entire population...  getting &lt; 50 responses in downtown SF is definitely a small, skewed sample.

And, I digress, I wasn&#039;t sure what you were implying, and i&#039;m not going to make that assumption, but the income post seemed a bit... loaded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE,</p>
<p>A random sample isn&#8217;t a small sample.  You can have a large random sample, or a small random sample, and you could also have large skewed samples, and small skewed samples.  Obviously, you will want a large random sample to infer characteristics on the entire population&#8230;  getting &lt; 50 responses in downtown SF is definitely a small, skewed sample.</p>
<p>And, I digress, I wasn&#8217;t sure what you were implying, and i&#8217;m not going to make that assumption, but the income post seemed a bit&#8230; loaded.</p>
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		<title>By: Pralay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pralay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is certainly more plausible IMO than a sweeping reduction in house values all across the region. Methinks that Mr. Thornberg is off the mark.&lt;/i&gt;
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I don&#039;t think Thornberg talked about &quot;sweeping reduction&quot;. He commented about &quot;effect&quot;. Yes, some area will be less affected than others. Some will be more.

But some real experts claim that somehow the price of certain area will be &lt;b&gt;insulated completely&lt;/b&gt; from neighboring areas - there is no basis for this argument. That&#039;s simply a wish for people who has vested interests real estate industry and people who bought home in inflated price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is certainly more plausible IMO than a sweeping reduction in house values all across the region. Methinks that Mr. Thornberg is off the mark.</i><br />
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<p>I don&#8217;t think Thornberg talked about &#8220;sweeping reduction&#8221;. He commented about &#8220;effect&#8221;. Yes, some area will be less affected than others. Some will be more.</p>
<p>But some real experts claim that somehow the price of certain area will be <b>insulated completely</b> from neighboring areas &#8211; there is no basis for this argument. That&#8217;s simply a wish for people who has vested interests real estate industry and people who bought home in inflated price.</p>
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		<title>By: Pralay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pralay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This can only work as long as you have new people to enter the market and keep this pyramid growing. Functionally what it is, it’s a pyramid. And the pyramid works as long as you keep entering people at the bottom end.

Say goodbye to your pyramid, realestater.&lt;/i&gt;
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Why not, Amway/Quickstar is a very successful business model. Millions people got rich on this scheme - just like real estate. In fact Amway/Quickstar&#039;s main goal is to &quot;shutdown Wal-mart&quot; which is going to happen very soon.

Get into into Amway/Quickstar early, you will get rich quicker. Buy your home early, you will be rich quicker.

Hence, it&#039;s good time to be a member of Amway NOW. It&#039;s always great time to buy home NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This can only work as long as you have new people to enter the market and keep this pyramid growing. Functionally what it is, it’s a pyramid. And the pyramid works as long as you keep entering people at the bottom end.</p>
<p>Say goodbye to your pyramid, realestater.</i><br />
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<p>Why not, Amway/Quickstar is a very successful business model. Millions people got rich on this scheme &#8211; just like real estate. In fact Amway/Quickstar&#8217;s main goal is to &#8220;shutdown Wal-mart&#8221; which is going to happen very soon.</p>
<p>Get into into Amway/Quickstar early, you will get rich quicker. Buy your home early, you will be rich quicker.</p>
<p>Hence, it&#8217;s good time to be a member of Amway NOW. It&#8217;s always great time to buy home NOW.</p>
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