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		<title>By: More Job Cuts at Apple? [Rumormonger] &#171; All Hell Hollywood</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2008/11/30/california-layoff-tracker-database-notice/#comment-21858</link>
		<dc:creator>More Job Cuts at Apple? [Rumormonger] &#171; All Hell Hollywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] law, which covers layoffs of 50 or more employees, but there are similar loopholes. The state only updates layoff filings once a month, at any rate. If Apple really is making cuts, we may not get official confirmation of the layoffs [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] law, which covers layoffs of 50 or more employees, but there are similar loopholes. The state only updates layoff filings once a month, at any rate. If Apple really is making cuts, we may not get official confirmation of the layoffs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2008/11/30/california-layoff-tracker-database-notice/#comment-21857</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d buy the 2011-2012 timeline. I was listening to the radio yesterday and report came on discussing future foreclosure activity. If you think there&#039;s a lot of foreclosures now, you ain&#039;t seen nothing yet. As it stands now, foreclosures account for 4% of the market. By next year they&#039;re projected to jump by 50% more to 8%.

 Seeing as how just 4% of the market being foreclosures dramatically impacted the market, imagine what 8% will do? It&#039;ll continue to eat away at values. The foreclosures will have to be flushed from the system before any bottom can be reached, and as it looks from this report and the fact that there&#039; still tons of foreclosures out there along with non-foreclosures, it&#039;ll be at least another 2 years before that occurs, and even then, it&#039;ll just be the bottom and not necessarily appreciation.

 Most people seem to be incapable of recognizing that the most recent housing bubble was probably a once in a lifetime freak occurrence. There will be some bitter tears shed by many an investor once that&#039;s more universally accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d buy the 2011-2012 timeline. I was listening to the radio yesterday and report came on discussing future foreclosure activity. If you think there&#8217;s a lot of foreclosures now, you ain&#8217;t seen nothing yet. As it stands now, foreclosures account for 4% of the market. By next year they&#8217;re projected to jump by 50% more to 8%.</p>
<p> Seeing as how just 4% of the market being foreclosures dramatically impacted the market, imagine what 8% will do? It&#8217;ll continue to eat away at values. The foreclosures will have to be flushed from the system before any bottom can be reached, and as it looks from this report and the fact that there&#8217; still tons of foreclosures out there along with non-foreclosures, it&#8217;ll be at least another 2 years before that occurs, and even then, it&#8217;ll just be the bottom and not necessarily appreciation.</p>
<p> Most people seem to be incapable of recognizing that the most recent housing bubble was probably a once in a lifetime freak occurrence. There will be some bitter tears shed by many an investor once that&#8217;s more universally accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: Pralay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pralay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;
The polls above are talking about something more fundamental –
what people think about investing in real estate, at a time when most are not rushing in.&lt;/i&gt;
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Hmmmm, fundamental? Fundamental or false optimism?

Of course our Roger The Brickster does not provide the link to original article whenever it is inconvenient.  Here it goes:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122764977315457619.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Future for Home Prices&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

There it says -
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Over the past few years, Americans have had a brutal lesson in the risks of real estate. House prices have crashed more than 35% in some parts of the country, millions of people are losing their homes to foreclosure, and banks are failing.
....
....
Those hoping for a quick rebound are likely to be disappointed. Economists and other pros generally say home prices won&#039;t bottom out before the second half of 2009, and some don&#039;t see a bottom until 2011 or 2012. Even when they stop falling, prices may scrape along the bottom of the rut for years.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><br />
The polls above are talking about something more fundamental –<br />
what people think about investing in real estate, at a time when most are not rushing in.</i><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Hmmmm, fundamental? Fundamental or false optimism?</p>
<p>Of course our Roger The Brickster does not provide the link to original article whenever it is inconvenient.  Here it goes:</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122764977315457619.html" rel="nofollow"><b>The Future for Home Prices</b></a></p>
<p>There it says -</p>
<blockquote><p>
Over the past few years, Americans have had a brutal lesson in the risks of real estate. House prices have crashed more than 35% in some parts of the country, millions of people are losing their homes to foreclosure, and banks are failing.<br />
&#8230;.<br />
&#8230;.<br />
Those hoping for a quick rebound are likely to be disappointed. Economists and other pros generally say home prices won&#8217;t bottom out before the second half of 2009, and some don&#8217;t see a bottom until 2011 or 2012. Even when they stop falling, prices may scrape along the bottom of the rut for years.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its sort of like the old parable that

&quot;&lt;i&gt; Comedy is when someone else falls off a ladder and breaks their neck. Tragedy is when I get a paper cut&lt;/i&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its sort of like the old parable that</p>
<p>&#8220;<i> Comedy is when someone else falls off a ladder and breaks their neck. Tragedy is when I get a paper cut</i>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: nomadic</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomadic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh.  Well that makes it all right then, Pralay!

Because &lt;i&gt;of course&lt;/i&gt; the hamster&#039;s is better!  (Whatever &lt;b&gt;it&lt;/b&gt; may be.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh.  Well that makes it all right then, Pralay!</p>
<p>Because <i>of course</i> the hamster&#8217;s is better!  (Whatever <b>it</b> may be.)</p>
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		<title>By: Pralay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pralay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;RE, I thought you disdained the herd mentality.&lt;/i&gt;
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Nomadic,
How article-title about the people with herd mentality? &lt;a href=&quot;http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Homeowners-cling-to-false-apf-13523540.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Homeowners cling to false optimism about own home&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The housing market may have bust, but many homeowners are still living in a bubble.

Despite dismal housing headlines and reports showing falling prices nationwide, owners in some once-hot areas still believe their home is gaining value or at least holding its own. And by hanging onto too-high expectations, sellers are unwittingly keeping the market from finding a bottom.
.....
.....
Likewise, an unscientific study released last week by real-estate Web site Zillow.com found that half of homeowners polled think their home&#039;s price has increased or stayed the same in the past year.
.....
.....
&quot;It&#039;s the mine is better than yours mentality,&quot; Herndon said.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So it is not just herd mentality. It is &lt;i&gt;mine-is-better-than-yours mentality&lt;/i&gt; too. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>RE, I thought you disdained the herd mentality.</i><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Nomadic,<br />
How article-title about the people with herd mentality? <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Homeowners-cling-to-false-apf-13523540.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Homeowners cling to false optimism about own home</b></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The housing market may have bust, but many homeowners are still living in a bubble.</p>
<p>Despite dismal housing headlines and reports showing falling prices nationwide, owners in some once-hot areas still believe their home is gaining value or at least holding its own. And by hanging onto too-high expectations, sellers are unwittingly keeping the market from finding a bottom.<br />
&#8230;..<br />
&#8230;..<br />
Likewise, an unscientific study released last week by real-estate Web site Zillow.com found that half of homeowners polled think their home&#8217;s price has increased or stayed the same in the past year.<br />
&#8230;..<br />
&#8230;..<br />
&#8220;It&#8217;s the mine is better than yours mentality,&#8221; Herndon said.
</p></blockquote>
<p>So it is not just herd mentality. It is <i>mine-is-better-than-yours mentality</i> too. <img src='http://www.burbed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2008/11/30/california-layoff-tracker-database-notice/#comment-21852</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WG,
You have definitely got some balls buying investment property this close to retirement. I will give you that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WG,<br />
You have definitely got some balls buying investment property this close to retirement. I will give you that.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2008/11/30/california-layoff-tracker-database-notice/#comment-21851</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE,
There&#039;s a disconnect with what you&#039;re suggesting with the article posted. Herd mentality in the real estate market right now is that housing is bad. The fact that the only thing selling are bottom feeder homes is indicative of that.

 But people who&#039;ve already bought want reassurance that they&#039;ve made the right decision. Nobody wants to admit that they might have either screwed up, mis-timed the market, overpaid, or are losing equity. Its sort of a self-comfort device to deny reality. The reality is that if you bought from 2004-2007, then you&#039;ve probably lost value. Its a hard pill to swallow. I would put money on it that you would never admit that your home has possibly lost value or has even flat lined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE,<br />
There&#8217;s a disconnect with what you&#8217;re suggesting with the article posted. Herd mentality in the real estate market right now is that housing is bad. The fact that the only thing selling are bottom feeder homes is indicative of that.</p>
<p> But people who&#8217;ve already bought want reassurance that they&#8217;ve made the right decision. Nobody wants to admit that they might have either screwed up, mis-timed the market, overpaid, or are losing equity. Its sort of a self-comfort device to deny reality. The reality is that if you bought from 2004-2007, then you&#8217;ve probably lost value. Its a hard pill to swallow. I would put money on it that you would never admit that your home has possibly lost value or has even flat lined.</p>
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		<title>By: Pralay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pralay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Herd mentality points to a group of people rushing to do something.&lt;/i&gt;
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LOL! New definition of herd mentality!
And don&#039;t forget the original context where our Roger The Realtor said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Bob thinks he’s doing something smart and unique, when in fact he’s just following herd mentality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess Bob was rushing to do &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt;. What? Nature&#039;s call?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Herd mentality points to a group of people rushing to do something.</i><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>LOL! New definition of herd mentality!<br />
And don&#8217;t forget the original context where our Roger The Realtor said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bob thinks he’s doing something smart and unique, when in fact he’s just following herd mentality.</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess Bob was rushing to do <i>something</i>. What? Nature&#8217;s call?</p>
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		<title>By: WillowGlenner</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2008/11/30/california-layoff-tracker-database-notice/#comment-21849</link>
		<dc:creator>WillowGlenner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE, if I am refi-ing a property that I&#039;ve had for a while, and the rent on the place is more than the mortgage I choose to go 15 year these days.  15 yr is 1/4 below 30 year, its a few hundred more per month for the place in question but since I&#039;m so far ahead on it, I think I might as well pay it off.  You are correct, technically 30 year is probably wiser if you were trying to completely manage your cashflow and buy up as much as you can with FCF.  I&#039;m not really doing that, I might buy one other property this cycle but thats about it.  I&#039;m older than most of you hear, approaching 50.  I have a few properties in mind in the 400-450K range but they are short sales which means I need to wait until they go to foreclosure to buy.  The problem with foreclosures NOW, as opposed to last july when I bought my last one, is that investors have come back in the market so there are multiple offer situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE, if I am refi-ing a property that I&#8217;ve had for a while, and the rent on the place is more than the mortgage I choose to go 15 year these days.  15 yr is 1/4 below 30 year, its a few hundred more per month for the place in question but since I&#8217;m so far ahead on it, I think I might as well pay it off.  You are correct, technically 30 year is probably wiser if you were trying to completely manage your cashflow and buy up as much as you can with FCF.  I&#8217;m not really doing that, I might buy one other property this cycle but thats about it.  I&#8217;m older than most of you hear, approaching 50.  I have a few properties in mind in the 400-450K range but they are short sales which means I need to wait until they go to foreclosure to buy.  The problem with foreclosures NOW, as opposed to last july when I bought my last one, is that investors have come back in the market so there are multiple offer situations.</p>
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