April 16, 2009

Can you park a space shuttle, a fire truck, or a blimp in this Fremont house?

35983 CARNATION Way, FREMONT, CA 94536 | MLS# 40379294
35983 CARNATION Way FREMONT, CA 94536
Price: $689,950

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Beds: 3
Baths: 2.5
Sq. Ft.: 1,353
$/Sq. Ft.: $510
Lot Size: 9,020 Sq. Ft.
Property Type: Single Family Detached
Style: Ranch
Year Built: 1955
Stories: 1
View: Hills
Neighborhood: Not Listed
Area: Fremont
County: Alameda
MLS#: 40379294
Source: EBRD
Status: Active
On Redfin: 153 days
Unsold in 90 days
Niles home w/ 9-car garage! Completely remodeled, granite, hardwood, tile, recessed lighting, french doors, maple cabinets, AC & many more amenities. Garage: Approx 24×60 and 18×12 Roll-up. 14’7″ Ceiling height 16′ side Roll up w/ access to patio. Air compressor with built in air lines

Thanks to Burbed reader CB for this find.

Wow. Check out that garage. CB thought that this would be great if you worked for NASA and occasionally brought the space shuttle home with you. Personally, I think it’s a bit more modest – this is for all you firefighters who bring the crane home with you sometimes.

What I don’t quite get is the 9-car garage aspect. Is this targetted towards Jay Leno and Jerry Seinfeld?

Let’s take a closer look:

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Oh, it’s obvious! It’s for those big rig drivers who want to park at home. Right next to their pinball machine, and their antique phone!

They say in marketing that you should always find a niche.

Consider this niche found!

Comments (104) -- Posted by: burbed @ 5:21 am

104 Responses to “Can you park a space shuttle, a fire truck, or a blimp in this Fremont house?”

  1. Trader Joe Says:

    Finally, a place where I can hang those 5 foot long wrenches! I’m so tired of carrying them around with me all day.

  2. Alex Says:

    Burbed, you missed the point.

    You can rent this out to someone and have an instant auto repair shop. CHA CHING!! Can you say huge rental income?!

  3. Mole Man Says:

    The repair shop can go in the front, then all that accessible space out back can become a wrecking yard and pick a part. Multiple revenue streams!

  4. SiO2 Says:

    I would love this kind of garage. Get a lift, either for car storage or for easy working on the car. No more laying on my back for oil changes.

    I’ve seen houses with the double high garages and lifts. The one I saw had an M3 over a 911. It wasn’t in Fremont :)

  5. vtek Says:

    ROFL. A garage big enough to park a space shuttle? Burbed, you’re crazy, but I like your thinking. This house is truly unique. Can’t say that I’ve seen something like this one anywhere.

  6. Joe Says:

    Wow, you could rent that garage out to some kids for a rave party! Wonder what that would do to adjacent home values? :)

  7. nomadic Says:

    Personally, I’d love to live in an “everything goes” area where you can get permits to build this. Aesthetic rules? Zoning? Eh, who needs it?! The place is only $690k. $150k for the house and $540k for the covered parking. ;-)

  8. A. Lewis Says:

    I totally covet that garage. I love big garage spaces. Up my bid by $100k.

    I had a friend in Boulder whose family was rich – I visited her Aunt’s house once – something like a 3500 sqft rancher – but it had an attached basketball court/gym for the kids – that was AWESOME. Full-on polished hardwood floors, regulation full court lines and baskets. The kids would spend all day in there with their friends.

    It’s a lot more practical than the way many people waste their precious square footage – I think “great rooms” are a total waste of space. Give me a home theater anytime…

  9. madhaus Says:

    Rave party? You’re thinking too small. I see this space as the site of a Web 3.0 startup. And if that doesn’t attract any venture capital, write up a second business plan and call it an environmental startup instead, that’s the hot button for 2009. That and living simply.

    I can’t think of anything more simple than to put up a bunch of cubical partitions and rent those spaces out to a bunch of laid-off engineers from HP who are underwater in Tracy. Nine car garage? How about nine families’ worth of income? Talk about Ka-CHING!

  10. Real Alex Says:

    2madhaus: It may be a startup dyring the day and rave party at night. On weekends it may be converted into a kids playground. So many applications for one garage. :P

  11. burbed Says:

    Personally, I’d love to live in an “everything goes” area where you can get permits to build this. Aesthetic rules? Zoning? Eh, who needs it?! The place is only $690k. $150k for the house and $540k for the covered parking. ;-)

    On the flip side, aren’t there some who complain about cities where every single neighbor is a stakeholder in your permit process?

  12. sonarrat Says:

    I’m thinking of calling the HOA on my parents’ neighbors. They’re trying to sell their house, and I feel for them because they’ll likely have to sell it short, but they’ve let the yard go, they have weeds that are 12 feet tall now and come up to their upstairs windows!!

  13. Pralay Says:

    Did the owner have a big RV or what? I don’t know about space shuttle but once I met a guy who used to work for a flight school at Lodi. Sometimes he used to keep small planes in his garage. May be one of this kind.

    From the satellite view it seems the BART track is right behind the backyard.

  14. mv_dude Says:

    It’s a stupid idea to park 9 cars there even if they fit in, but I would love to have a garage like this – plenty of space for the workshop.

  15. madhaus Says:

    #10 Real Alex, LOL!

    #12 sonarrat, 12 foot weeds? What you see as a nuisance is an investment opportunity! Why don’t you braid those weeds into ropes, tie them to the struts of the garage in today’s house, and there’s Real Alex’s weekend playground! Plus you can also rent the place out as a challenge course to out of shape managers who sit on their ass playing with spreadsheets all day.

    I’m not sure a blimp could fit in this garage. I drove up to Mountain View this morning and that white thang was circling over Moffett looking for a parking space. Maybe the space shuttle was parked in the handicapped zone.

    Do you think I could buy Hangar One instead?

  16. nomadic Says:

    On the flip side, aren’t there some who complain about cities where every single neighbor is a stakeholder in your permit process?

    Funny you should mention that, burbed (#11). I’m surprised Pralay didn’t post the link to RE’s comment in this regard from just a couple of days ago. Alas, I lack his search mojo… wait! Found it!
    http://www.burbed.com/2009/04/14/wanted-math-wizards-to-calculate-if-this-palo-alto-townhouse-for-rent-is-a-good-deal/#comment-43389

  17. nomadic Says:

    Hangar One would be awesome, madhaus, but you’d have to get them to remove all the asbestos first. Parents frown on their kids breathing that stuff.

  18. cardinal2007 Says:

    Currently there are BART tracks and a hardly used rail track behind the house. If the the money for the intermodal station at Union City project does ever go through, they will make rail connections near Industrial Blvd, and near Shinn St to connect the parallel lines, enabling them to pass the Capitol Corridor, and possibly a new commuter train service to the Peninsula, and South Bay if they rebuild the Dumbarton rail bridge, through those rails. That is a total of 7 trains each way for Capitol Corridor, and 6 trains each way for Dumbarton if it gets built as well. At least they are not freight trains, and there seem to be no at grade intersections for quite a distance. BART probably has tons of trains passing by there every day toward Fremont, but at least that is lightweight electric.

  19. anon Says:

    Hanger one. That’s a great idea.

    I am going to snap up this piece of shit, chop the top off the garage and use it for my chopper.

  20. madhaus Says:

    OMG, I missed it.

    Today’s house is at 35983 Carnation Way. Don’t you get it? CARNATION?

    Burbed has foisted another pink house on us. But instead of call by value, it’s call by name.

    Also, a really bad pun lurks somewhere over a nine car garage on CAR NATION Way.

  21. madhaus Says:

    nomadic, you are such a spoilsport. Asbestos? That’s a learning opportunity! I bet RE’s kids would have a blast playing with it! And just watch them comparing the chemical formulaa Mg3(Si2O5)(OH)4 versus Fe7Si8O22(OH)2!

    But fine, have it your way. I found <another cool building also known as Hangar One. And bob, listen up! It’s in Alameda, so you get first crack at it! Hurry up before A Lewis beats you over there and writes a brief 50,000 word precis.

    No results for Hanger One, though, anon. Do you prefer cedar or satin?

  22. nomadic Says:

    I think anon is onto something. He can have a commuter chopper and give rides to people in the east bay who drive 50 miles each way to work – or however far it is from Alameda to PA.

  23. TONY OF FAIRFAX Says:

    silly this is a boomer’s paradise!

  24. anon Says:

    In that its a blue collar house that requires a white collar job to pay off?

  25. DreamT Says:

    what’s a blue collar house?

  26. anon Says:

    what’s a white collar job?

  27. DreamT Says:

    and what’s with that foreign “paying off” concept in the first place? :P

  28. bob Says:

    Personally, I’d love to live in an “everything goes” area where you can get permits to build this. Aesthetic rules? Zoning? Eh, who needs it?! The place is only $690k. $150k for the house and $540k for the covered parking.

    That’s actually what we sort of saw when we visited Austin. Apparently the city doesn’t have very strict zoning laws. I seriously saw trailers on one side of the street with fancy modern lofts on the other, and other crazy arrangements like that. It actually made everything kind of interesting.

  29. bob Says:

    Anon’s point is that the bulk of the houses shown here are what would be homes that could be afforded by typical working class families anywhere else in the USA, but since they cost so much in the good’le Bay Area, they require upper middle class ( white collar jobs) to buy. Most people in the BA are confused by this notion since they are conditioned to live blue collar lives and pay white collar quantities of money to do so.

  30. DreamT Says:

    what are blue collar lives?

  31. DreamT Says:

    So, today I found out that anon and bob are just as brainwashed and smug as RealEstater. They see the world in blue and white, with a clear social hierarchy delineating ‘blue’ and ‘white’ collar families. Certainly, the social TENSION – due to rapidly increasing house prices – that forced a mixing of both social strata in the same neighborhoods, will be a surer sign of Silicon Valley’s doomsday than any economic woe. Nowhere more evident than in Palo Alto!

    This blue collar vs white collar house/family/neighborhood is the stupidest thing I’ve read on burbed, ever. Wake up and realize that there’s no such thing, and while it makes you uncomfortable, that’s actually a _positive_ state of things. You’d make more sense if you talked about racial or cultural segregation.

  32. nomadic Says:

    killin’ another thread, DreamT? :-)

    Things got awfully serious in here suddenly.

  33. anon Says:

    “So, today I found out that anon and bob are just as brainwashed and smug as RealEstater.”

    Probably – you didn’t know this already?

    The reason that I asked the above question – “what is a white collar job?” is because I don’t know. What I do know is that I don’t see things in black and white like bob so please don’t read his words into my mouth. “Working class” never meant much to me. Most people that I know work – rich or poor. Blue collar is a colloquialism anymore and I think you understood what I meant.

    This house has a price tag of $700,000. If you have 20% down, it will cost about $4,000 a month to service the mortgage. That is $4,000 a month for 1353 sqft. If you were to rent this, I bet it would cost you $1700/month. You don’t pay upkeep, property tax, and you don’t have a down payment in the game. We’ve been through the calculations many times before. Anyone who thinks that this thing is actually worth paying $140k down and $4,000/month + upkeep for 30 years is brainwashed also.

  34. DreamT Says:

    nomadic – maybe if bob and anon exchanged their blue and white eyeglasses with burbed’s pink ones, they’d be happier with their lot! :D
    Silicon Valley led the world in blurring the line between hands-on contributor and manager – possibly still does. Nowhere else does ‘blue collar’ have less meaning. City workers get paid double what software engineers earn, and locals are much less shocked than to hear about their politicians’ latest affairs. So, using blue vs white collar really shows that your conception of society needs some updating.

    “Anyone who thinks that this thing is actually worth paying $140k down and $4,000/month + upkeep for 30 years is brainwashed also.”
    You probably have this right, but they’re still buying – and therefore these folks’ opinion makes the market, not yours nor mine…

  35. anon Says:

    “You probably have this right, but they’re still buying – and therefore these folks’ opinion makes the market, not yours nor mine…”

    This is true. I am but a nobody lost in a sea of confusion.

  36. Real Estater Says:

    DreamT,

    You don’t understand the concept of Blue vs. White Collar? Whether you like to admit it or not, the differences are real. The guys working in the mail room at a company are totally different from the guys working in the board room. Different educational level, different income, and different social class. The guy in the board room goes home to a RBA house that is likely not 1300 sq. ft. The guy in the mail room goes back to a rental apartment or neighborhood littered with pickup trucks. To see the contrast just drive down Wolf between El Camino and Homestead. On one side is blue collar neighborhood; on the other side is white collar CUSD neighborhood. Pickup trucks on one side; sedans on the other.

  37. nomadic Says:

    RE, what planet are you from?

  38. anon Says:

    Leave it to real trollester to resolve the ambiguity.

    The answer is:

    Sedans = white collar
    pickup trucks = blue collar.

  39. DreamT Says:

    TrollEstater,
    Ask a $25k earner his social strata and he’ll say he’s middle class. Ask a $250k earner and he’ll also say he’s middle class. In fact, the $250k earner points out he cannot afford a house “in the Silicon Valley”
    The differences are where you want to see them. They’re in the eye of the beholder, and speak about who you are rather than what you see. The concept of “blue” versus “white” collar, originally meaningful when you had full segregation of management vs floor workers, closed door offices, different clothing, different “villages” – it never applied as little as in recent times’ Silicon Valley. You say so yourself by pointing out they are only divided by a street that’s not even an Expressway. What segregates people in the bay area is their nationality or ethnicity, and the timing of their arrival in the bay area, rather than their income, education or even job. The parents of fellow Engineers I worked with, grew up and still live in Palo Alto. They were what you’ll call blue collar and they still live in your neighbors.
    As anon asks, what makes you a white collar? Your job? No, if you live in a dirt cheap place littered with pickup trucks, right? So, your education? Same thing. Your lifestyle and house location? No, since you could have a traditional blue collar job since the 70s and live comfortably in Saratoga. So, moving up to Palo Alto and buying a Porsche makes you a white collar family, suddenly? Is that what you’re reduced to assert?

  40. Real Estater Says:

    nomadic,

    Don’t misinterpret my comments. There’s nothing wrong with either group. Society needs blue collar workers as much as it needs white collar folks. The house you’re living in is a good example. It’s designed by a white collar person and built by a blue collar person. Without both types, the house can’t be built.

  41. DreamT Says:

    RealEstater – Omidyar and Bezos understood that your blue collar definition is arbitrary and worked their mail room like everybody else. By definition you have to break your back if you start your own company.

  42. Real Estater Says:

    Let me make it clear. I have high regard for many types of blue collar professions. The guy who works on my Porsche has skills beyond my ability. The guys who built my yard did things that amazed me. Even the repairman who fixed my dishwasher possesses skills that I don’t have, despite my masters degree in Electrical Engineering (Yet if you give him a simple algebra problem he may not have a clue). It just goes to show God created people with different kinds of talents.

  43. anon Says:

    Are you trying to imply you have some sort of talent in something? I’d like to see that.

    A masters degree in EE, huh? Pop quiz: When was the first dc-to-dc converter invented?

  44. DreamT Says:

    but you do realize that an “average tech guy” fits your world’s definition of blue collar, right? and as such, despite a self-claimed lofty degree, car, wife and residence, the ability to resolve simple algebra problems and to troll on burbed, and notwithstanding your arithmetical challenges with your taxes, your profession is essentially what you classify as “blue collar”
    and you’re a talented troll, if nothing else

  45. Real Estater Says:

    A tech person is in a blue collar profession? How so?

  46. Real Estater Says:

    anon,

    You don’t know the difference between engineering and trivia?

  47. anon Says:

    Look to yourself, therein lies the answer.

  48. anon Says:

    good night excreter

  49. anon Says:

    Oh, and by the way – that’s not trivia.

    See if you can set up some equations. Let me know tomorrow what you come up with.

  50. Real Estater Says:

    anon,

    Does it take you 3 posts to say nothing? Here’s an equation for you:

    1 + 1 + 1 = 0

  51. Real Estater Says:

    DreamT says,

    >>despite a self-claimed lofty degree

    Let me stop you right there. I don’t have a lofty degree. Go check the demographic data. Where I live majority of the people have grad degrees.

  52. DreamT Says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graduate_school
    a master’s degree (notice the apostrophe) IS a grad degree.

    Degrees awarded by graduate schools include, master’s degrees, doctoral degrees, and other postgraduate qualifications such as graduate certificates and professional degrees.

    as for #45, if you had followed the conversation so far, you’d have realized that only you can answer your own question

  53. DreamT Says:

    It makes you wonder if RE actually even HAS a master’s degree. Those of us who have one do know what it is.

  54. Real Estater Says:

    >>a master’s degree (notice the apostrophe) IS a grad degree.

    What’s your point? I was merely explaining that I don’t have some “lofty degree”.

  55. Real Estater Says:

    I cannot claim to be an “average tech guy” if I don’t have a degree that majority of the people around me have.

  56. Real Estater Says:

    DreamT says,

    >>Those of us who have one do know what it is.

    Does that include YOU? or is it the case you can only spell it, but don’t have the degree?

  57. Real Estater Says:

    DreamT conveniently goes to sleep…

  58. anon Says:

    “1 + 1 + 1 = 0″

    What the crap does this mean?

    Here’s one for you.

    0(x) * Infinite(y) = 0(z)

    x = your credibility
    y = your post count
    z = your results

  59. Real Estater Says:

    anon,

    It’s not tomorrow yet.

  60. anon Says:

    It never is.

  61. DreamT Says:

    “Does that include YOU?”

    Uh oh, reading comprehension again.

    The 1:04 am to 1:13 am was a good laugh, thanks – and glad you didn’t crash the site with all of your page refreshes. Don’t be so touchy about the degree, it’s OK – I don’t think anybody’s shocked on this site. They probably don’t believe the lofty wife, lofty car and lofty residence either, but how could you blame them? You keep giving us evidence that you are clueless.

  62. anon Says:

    excreter, I stay up until 2:30 in the morning to talk about you and you leave?!

    Some troll you are.

  63. SiO2 Says:

    #33 – regarding the mortgage. If the house is $700k, and put down $140k, the mortgage is $560k. 5% interest is available. So the payment is $3006. Minus the tax benefits, plus the property tax. On a per month basis it’s more than renting, but it’s not 2x as much either.

  64. Real Estater Says:

    DreamT,

    Distortion is a popular game here (if it can only make you rich…). As I already explain to you my degree is by no means uncommon and not considered lofty around here. Many employers, including mine, expect it when they hire for management level positions. I have never said anything about my wife, which is entirely your fabrication. I would characterize my residence is a wise investment, lofty or not, as evidenced by the recent article shown on Burbed.

  65. Real Estater Says:

    #63, Like I said, distortion is a popular game here. Most likely, these guys want to stay delusional to justify their unwise financial decisions.

  66. Real Estater Says:

    anon,

    You bum, why are you still sleeping when I’ve been up for the past 2 hours?

  67. anon Says:

    You don’t need to wake up to collect welfare.

  68. Pralay Says:

    They probably don’t believe the lofty wife, lofty car and lofty residence either, but how could you blame them? You keep giving us evidence that you are clueless.
    —–

    RealEstater is a pathological liar. Not a single line of his comment should be trusted. Here few examples:

    In Oct 10, 2008 when DOW was 8451, he says:

    I’m going to scoop up some index funds for my 401K today. End of day price today should be a reasonable entry point.

    Then, on March 26, 2009 he says:

    I stated more than a few times my initial entry point was 7500.

    In another thread, he blames Obama for his 2008 tax confusion. Correctly pointed out by DreamT.

    In August 08 he claims that his home is not giving sufficient tax shelter:

    In hindsight, I wish I had taken on a bigger mortgage, as right now my house is not giving me sufficient tax shelter!

    Then, in January 09 he claims that “everything is perfectly sheltered”.

    I don’t have any other tax oligation as everything is perfectly sheltered.

    Another one. Here he claims himself as real estate investor.

    In the BA, if there’s softness in the market, investors wills snap them up. I know this because I am one of these investors.

    Does it sound like a guy who snaps up investment properties left and right? I think so. Still have doubts? Here some more:

    I don’t invest in fly-over country. I only invest in places where property values always go up.
    ….
    I don’t use creative financing. If I can’t close a deal with regular financing, I don’t buy the house.
    ….
    I follow best practices. I make sure there is money left over to cover any unexpected events after buying a house.

    What an investor! He snaps up properties from market, but with “best practices”. Smart investor!

    Well, it turns out he has only a “primary residence”:

    As I’ve stated over and over again, I already own an equivalent of 3 median priced properties as primary residence while you guys are throwing away flat screen TVs month after month as renters.

    All the chest-beating as “investor”? Bullshit.

  69. Pralay Says:

    They probably don’t believe the lofty wife, lofty car and lofty residence either, but how could you blame them? You keep giving us evidence that you are clueless.
    —–

    RealEstater is a pathological liar. Not a single line of his comment should be trusted. Here few examples:

    In Oct 10, 2008 when DOW was 8451, he says:

    I’m going to scoop up some index funds for my 401K today. End of day price today should be a reasonable entry point.

    Then, on March 26, 2009 he says:

    I stated more than a few times my initial entry point was 7500.

    In another thread, he blames Obama for his 2008 tax confusion. Correctly pointed out by DreamT.

    [Continued in next comment (due to limitation of links).]

  70. Pralay Says:

    In August 08 he claims that his home is not giving sufficient tax shelter:

    In hindsight, I wish I had taken on a bigger mortgage, as right now my house is not giving me sufficient tax shelter!

    Then, in January 09 he claims that “everything is perfectly sheltered”.

    I don’t have any other tax oligation as everything is perfectly sheltered.

    Another one. Here he claims himself as real estate investor.

    In the BA, if there’s softness in the market, investors wills snap them up. I know this because I am one of these investors.

    Does it sound like a guy who snaps up investment properties left and right? I think so. Still have doubts? Here some more:

    I don’t invest in fly-over country. I only invest in places where property values always go up.
    ….
    I don’t use creative financing. If I can’t close a deal with regular financing, I don’t buy the house.
    ….
    I follow best practices. I make sure there is money left over to cover any unexpected events after buying a house.

    What an investor! He snaps up properties from market, but with “best practices”. Smart investor!

    Well, it turns out he has only a “primary residence”:

    As I’ve stated over and over again, I already own an equivalent of 3 median priced properties as primary residence while you guys are throwing away flat screen TVs month after month as renters.

    All the chest-beating as “investor”? Bullshit.

  71. Pralay Says:

    I have never said anything about my wife, which is entirely your fabrication.
    —–

    Of course you didn’t with specificity. But when were talking about “wife” (whether someone’s or your own) here, what did you mean?

    I guess it all comes down to what kind of standard one holds for oneself, and what standard of living one wants. Life is full of questions like this:
    - Do you just go to college, or do you go to Stanford / UC Berkeley?
    - Do you just drive a car, or do you drive the Ultimate Driving Machine?
    - Do you just want to be a worker bee, or do you want to be in management?
    - Do you stay at Motel 6, or Hilton?
    - Do you just want to be married, or do you want to marry a trophy wife?

    There is no right answer, but I have a feeling Bob’s answers are on the low end of the spectrum.

    I know what your answer is going to be – you were talking about Bob, not you. But then if you don’t have trophy wife, you would be at the “low end of the spectrum” with low “standard of living”. How could that be, RealEstater? After all you are a guy with “a certain combination of diploma, address, and mate.

  72. madhaus Says:

    Pralay, how could you have missed this one?

    DreamT: They probably don’t believe the lofty wife, lofty car and lofty residence either, but how could you blame them? You keep giving us evidence that you are clueless.

    RE: I have never said anything about my wife, which is entirely your fabrication.

    Oh he hasn’t, eh? Let’s go to the videotape, Stan!

    6/13/08: Do you just want to be married, or do you want to marry a trophy wife?

    8/13/08: Actually, it’s not that big of a deal. Wife came home and says she got a 15% bonus.

    11/15/08: The reality of the world, perhaps sadly, is that no one will be particularly impressed if you can spell. However, people do recognize you as a high scorer if you can show them a certain combination of diploma, address, and mate.

    Wow, Kenneth! That’s the seventeenth time this month that RealEstater told a flat-out whopper and expected to be believed!

    No kidding, Stan. I see the referee threw a flag on the play and… yup, he’s throwing RE in the penalty box for the next ten posts, AND he’s fining him the equivalent of his tax penalty!

    That’s gotta hurt, Kenneth.

    PS — #67, anon, totally excellent. You too, DreamT. Sorry I missed the fun.

  73. madhaus Says:

    Once again Pralay beats me to the punch by a whopping forty minutes. Some of us can use Google, and some pwn it.

  74. DreamT Says:

    “I have never said anything about my wife, which is entirely your fabrication.”

    So, you’re saying I was posting under your name all these times you were referring to her?

    madhaus – yes, you were missed. It was fun.

  75. Real Estater Says:

    Pralay’s own posts proves he is a troll and liar. The rest of you are fools to be mislead by him.

    Go read the posts that are right in front of you. I never gave any depiction regarding my wife, one way or the other. Pralay made his own inferences, and pee’ed all over his pants. I have taken great care to preserve my credibilty. You can see that I wouldn’t tell you I’ve bought a rental property if I haven’t done so. I gave you very honest information about my taxes . Sure,there have been some unintentional mistakes, which I would openly acknowledge (e.g. I forgot about a purchase at Dow 8500). I even offered to prove certain points of doubt with money as incentive, but you cowards only dare to make empty charges and run away when facts are presented.

  76. Pralay Says:

    Once again Pralay beats me to the punch by a whopping forty minutes. Some of us can use Google, and some pwn it.
    —-

    40 minutes to google “trophy wife”? You go to be kidding! Even if you have been beaten in time, at least could win by referring more posts. For example, you missed this one where he taunts Steve for being single:

    – Did not pull the trigger on that trophy wife

    Wife always has to be trophy wife. Otherwise you end up in “low end of the spectrum”. :)

  77. Anon Says:

    LOL @ great care to preserve your credability.

  78. Pralay Says:

    <i.Pralay’s own posts proves he is a troll and liar. The rest of you are fools to be mislead by him.
    ——

    There are indeed lots of lies in my posts. But they all are within quote-blocks, cut-and-pasted from RealEstater’s past comments. And every quote-block has reference link pointed to RealEstater’s past comments.

  79. DreamT Says:

    Reporting exact quotes is neither trolling nor lying nor inferring. Stating that it is amounts to slander.

  80. nomadic Says:

    #67 had me rolling to. Thanks anon.

    #78 – excellent point, DreamT. The only slack I’d cut RE (only because it’s un-freaking-believably beautiful outside today) is that he is correct in that he never went past implying that he has a trophy wife.

  81. Pralay Says:

    Sure,there have been some unintentional mistakes, which I would openly acknowledge (e.g. I forgot about a purchase at Dow 8500).
    ——-

    Let’s read the conversation again:

    Pralay: And our RealExcreter claims all kind of things ALL THE TIMES (e.g. buying in S&P in 8500, 7500, 6500 so on)

    RealEstater: I stated more than a few times my initial entry point was 7500. I doubled my position at 6500.

    It’s not forgetting. You have been reminded. But you chose to contradict and deny, because on March 25 talking about buying 8500 DOW does not sound like a very smart investment anymore (and how could that be – after all you are a smart investor).

    Of course you would forget. Because you never bought anything (neither in 8500 nor in 7500 nor in 6500). You are a liar. It’s not that you forgot about the purchase. You forgot that you claimed so. It goes back to my original statement – “our RealExcreter claims all kind of things ALL THE TIMES”.

  82. Pralay Says:

    I gave you very honest information about my taxes .
    ——

    I think we can find a common ground. It is proven that you are a liar. How about pathological honest liar?

  83. DreamT Says:

    “he never went past implying that he has a trophy wife.”

    If we’re literal about it, then I never went past stating that nobody believes he has one.

  84. Real Estater Says:

    The problem is unsophisticated readers rushing to believe things that were not stated, refuting things that were stated, and refusing to accept proof when offered.

  85. Pralay Says:

    The problem is unsophisticated readers rushing to believe things that were not stated,
    ——

    RealEstater, it would be lot easier for you if you claim that some extraterrestrial aliens were posting comments in your name. :)
    You know, we all believe in aliens.

  86. madhaus Says:

    Reporting exact quotes is neither trolling nor lying nor inferring. Stating that it is amounts to slander.

    Stating that verbally amounts to slander. Publishing it, such as on a blog, amounts to libel.

  87. madhaus Says:

    The problem is unsophisticated readers rushing to believe things that were not stated, refuting things that were stated, and refusing to accept proof when offered.

    Can anyone explain why we should believe this lying libelous liar and libeler?

  88. nomadic Says:

    lolllllllllll

    Why not stop feeding the troll then? We really couldn’t care less whether he lives in 94301 or a trailer park anyway.

  89. A. Lewis Says:

    Holy CRAP, I missed out on this thread. Maybe that’s for the best. Much fur-a-flyin’.

    Regarding RE – eh, it all speaks for itself.

    Regarding DreamT’s blue/white collar philosophical/semantic points. I’m a little befuddled DreamT with exactly what you’re getting at.

    Life has certainly changed in America since 1950, and the different ‘ranks’ inside a business in SV are a much more complicated thing to describe than at Ford in 1950, but isn’t it reasonable to use ‘blue’ and ‘white’ collar as short-hand for two income strata?

    I guess it’s careless and inaccurate, but I don’t get too excited about it – I think the gist of saying it’s a blue collar house that requires a white collar salary just means that this sort of housing in the RBA is overpriced, and commands such a high salary that very few people have that salary, so it’s unsustainable to expect large neighborhoods to maintain such price/income ratios.

    Exactly what people do for these salaries – doesn’t really matter. I mean, I think it matters to RE, but not to me or you.

  90. DreamT Says:

    A. Lewis – You won’t get my point either since you write there’s such a thing as a “white collar house”, which I disagree with. :)
    Check Wikipedia: the definition of blue collar (which they admit is dated) includes the caveat that some blue collar incomes leave some white collar incomes in the dust, so no it’s not a “short-hand for two income strata”. The blue vs white collar definition is as artificial a view of the world as a white folks/black folks segregation, and is only used nowadays to infer a not-so-subtle (pseudo-intellectual) superiority of the speaker. The manner in which it’s used nowadays including on this forum has lots of parallels to innocent racism, hence my use of the word ‘brainwashed’. And we all saw that RE’s an avowed racist, prejudging people’s worth based on their apparent nationality, but IMO he’s as clueless about it as you all are about your efforts at defining blue/white collar.

  91. DreamT Says:

    or stated differently, what you call careless and inaccurate, I also call snobbish, elitist, stereotypical and intellectually close-minded. But it does go along well with your claim that all current homebuyers are fools.., an enlightened assertion if there ever was one!

  92. Real Estater Says:

    DreamT says,
    >>And we all saw that RE’s an avowed racist, prejudging people’s worth based on their apparent nationality

    Please be nice. No name calling, no personal attacks, no racist stuff, no baiting, etc. Let’s be nice to each other in the true Bay Area spirit!

    Let we add: Yes we can!

  93. Real Estater Says:

    Let me add: Yes we can!

  94. madhaus Says:

    Was it on this thread that RE made the comment about pickup trucks versus sedans? Gee, what kind of family does that make mine? We own a pickup truck, a minivan, and a sports car. Sold the sedan though. Insurance bill for four cars just wasn’t worth it.

    It isn’t even TRUE that there are pickup trucks on the east side of Wolfe (not Wolf, RE, can’t you get anything right? No don’t answer that) versus sedans on the right. The two sides are pretty much the same once you cross Fremont and get away from the apartment buildings. But feel free to post some GoogleMaps locations showing otherwise.

    Heh.

    And I would maintain that a 2009 extended cab F250 is more elitist than a 1989 Chevy Cavalier. Should have said what BRAND of pickups and sedans, RE. You’re getting sloppy. That Maserati Quattroporte of mine sure is missed.

  95. Real Estater Says:

    A. Lewis says,

    >>Exactly what people do for these salaries – doesn’t really matter. I mean, I think it matters to RE, but not to me or you.

    If you read my posts, you should know better than repeating #83. I already stated I have high respect for many blue collar jobs. I just don’t want to pretend that the category of blue collar doesn’t exist.

  96. madhaus Says:

    Such high respect that you wouldn’t insult their pickup trucks.

  97. DreamT Says:

    RE said: “Please be nice.”

    Are you taking back all the insults you threw at me these past few months? I’m willing to play along and soften up, as long as you’re not hypocritical about it.

  98. madhaus Says:

    RE always says “please be nice” when he’s exposed. Ho hum. It’s merely a subject change. Now watch him ask Pralay to do something before he listens to you.

    Gawd, I can set my watch by the guy.

  99. burbed Says:

    Ok everyone. It’s Friday night. Go do something positive, like buy tons of stuff from Amazon to boost our economy. :)

  100. DreamT Says:

    Posting on burbed lowers blood pressure. It’s very positive, very healthy. Ask your doctor!

  101. A. Lewis Says:

    #89 – I still think you’re being a little vague – maybe you should come right and say I sound snobbish and elitist when I use that kind of language, and it reminds you of racism. No really – that’s the direct feedback I probably need to realize how you’re interpreting my words.

    And I think you’re probably right, to a certain extent – to simplify and stereotype people, especially through the use of 50 year old imagery which was itself an oversimplification at the time, is not merely ‘convenient shorthand’ to aid an argument, it’s actually destructive and obfuscates the reality that should be dealt with instead of the simple world I might like.

    Does it sound like I’m getting you at all? I won’t claim I’m free of prejudice right down to the bottom of my soul, but I will claim that I ASPIRE to that, that when I do recognize prejudice thoughts and feelings within myself, I try to root them out and transcend them, and I fervently wish (and work toward) a society also free of prejudice, but I guess it’s easier to slip into prejudicial thinking than I realized.

    The only thing I would add is that many people, even in SV, probably do think in simple terms like blue and white collar houses, neighborhoods, jobs, and people, and these folks thinking this way are part of our society, and must be dealt with as they are, not as you wish they were – and merely dismissing them as ignorant doesn’t get you (or them) anywhere, either.

  102. DreamT Says:

    #100 – I hadn’t realized I was vague :P Your reading of my post is correct, except for one thing: I’m not dismissing you nor anybody else – or I wouldn’t be posting in the first place. I am exposing a valid parallel world-view rather than not dealing with others as they are. Take what you like and throw the rest ;)

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  104. Shauna Malkin Says:

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