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	<title>Comments on: A good example of how Zillow is unreliable</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Wicks</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2009/07/06/a-good-example-of-how-zillow-is-unreliable/#comment-50942</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a good example of Zillow &quot;bullshit&quot;.

Go to the area code 94086, that&#039;s Sunnyvale.  Now limit your search to simply recently sold homes and max price of 300,000 dollars and minimum price of 150,000

I know what you&#039;re thinking, you&#039;re not going to find anything but condos, and trailer parks.

What you are going to find is DOZENS of homes, HOUSES, that have sold for this price, and the really odd thing is that the prices aren&#039;t integrated into the surrounding housing market, or even included in the Zestimate, furthermore, these homes were never made available to the public to buy.

What I smell here is either a massive screwup in data entry by Zillow, or a massive scam by our banking industry in this area where homes are being sold at very cheap prices with a loss to the bank, to selected insiders to make a quick profit at the expense of the share holders of the banks.

Nobody seems interested in this story though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a good example of Zillow &#8220;bullshit&#8221;.</p>
<p>Go to the area code 94086, that&#8217;s Sunnyvale.  Now limit your search to simply recently sold homes and max price of 300,000 dollars and minimum price of 150,000</p>
<p>I know what you&#8217;re thinking, you&#8217;re not going to find anything but condos, and trailer parks.</p>
<p>What you are going to find is DOZENS of homes, HOUSES, that have sold for this price, and the really odd thing is that the prices aren&#8217;t integrated into the surrounding housing market, or even included in the Zestimate, furthermore, these homes were never made available to the public to buy.</p>
<p>What I smell here is either a massive screwup in data entry by Zillow, or a massive scam by our banking industry in this area where homes are being sold at very cheap prices with a loss to the bank, to selected insiders to make a quick profit at the expense of the share holders of the banks.</p>
<p>Nobody seems interested in this story though.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew missed the point that Zillow is basing their guestimate on a house that was torn down and replaced.  It&#039;s a common problem for Zillow, even when they have the current listing data on the new structure.  Seems like they could write a program to identify homes where the historical data differs from the listing data, but then data quality has never been a priority at Zillow.

Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew missed the point that Zillow is basing their guestimate on a house that was torn down and replaced.  It&#8217;s a common problem for Zillow, even when they have the current listing data on the new structure.  Seems like they could write a program to identify homes where the historical data differs from the listing data, but then data quality has never been a priority at Zillow.</p>
<p>Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Pralay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pralay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>80% acceptance rate for grad programs? Which school is he talking about? &lt;a href=&quot;http://alphacollegeofrealestate.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alpha College of Real Estate&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>80% acceptance rate for grad programs? Which school is he talking about? <a href="http://alphacollegeofrealestate.com/" rel="nofollow">Alpha College of Real Estate</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: nomadic</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomadic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really?  Stanford accepts 80% of its grad school applicants?  I thought they were supposed to be an elite school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  Stanford accepts 80% of its grad school applicants?  I thought they were supposed to be an elite school.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Estater</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2009/07/06/a-good-example-of-how-zillow-is-unreliable/#comment-48456</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Estater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BAI says,
&gt;&gt;So all I had to do was apply. And luckily enough, I got in.

Along with 80% of the applicants. At least that&#039;s what I remember from looking at a book on grad schools some years back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BAI says,<br />
&gt;&gt;So all I had to do was apply. And luckily enough, I got in.</p>
<p>Along with 80% of the applicants. At least that&#8217;s what I remember from looking at a book on grad schools some years back.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Estater</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2009/07/06/a-good-example-of-how-zillow-is-unreliable/#comment-48455</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Estater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this thread has really taken off. I think in the Bay Area, a degree by itself isn&#039;t a differentiator. Far more people own degrees than own houses. I&#039;d much rather own a house than have any kind of non-essential degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this thread has really taken off. I think in the Bay Area, a degree by itself isn&#8217;t a differentiator. Far more people own degrees than own houses. I&#8217;d much rather own a house than have any kind of non-essential degree.</p>
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		<title>By: Herve Estater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herve Estater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&gt; Does it make sense? It depends. Simple as that.&lt;/i&gt;

Thanks for summerizing* the whole discussion.

*keeping it readable for Real Estater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&gt; Does it make sense? It depends. Simple as that.</i></p>
<p>Thanks for summerizing* the whole discussion.</p>
<p>*keeping it readable for Real Estater.</p>
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		<title>By: DreamT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DreamT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Programming comes down to boolean logic and basic algebra&quot;
You write assembly or B? :P Programming comes down to savvy use of Google, deft typing skills and a large amount of copy paste, none of which I learned in high school!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Programming comes down to boolean logic and basic algebra&#8221;<br />
You write assembly or B? <img src='http://www.burbed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  Programming comes down to savvy use of Google, deft typing skills and a large amount of copy paste, none of which I learned in high school!</p>
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		<title>By: BuyersAreIdiots</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuyersAreIdiots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve,

You hit the nail on the head. I was basically told that from various folks who attained MBAs from various schools. In the end, the school is really them mitigating factor when it comes to the viability of the MBA.

That being said, perhaps my Masters was entirely un-necessary. I don&#039;t profess that individuals could not achieve a similar set of success without one. But as I indicated earlier, I could make that claim about bachelors degrees as well.

From my job standpoint, when I began working as a code monkey after graduation, how much of what I learned in my undergrad do you think I honestly applied? I don&#039;t do too many second order differential equations in my field. That metalurgy class gave me nothing. Sure, its nice to know the Laws of Thermodynamics. But all that really helped me with is explaining why my PC needs a heatsink!

In the end, I&#039;ll honestly admit that much if not most of what I applied in my first few years on the job market was knowledge I had garnered in high school. Programming comes down to boolean logic and basic algebra, all things that I had a good grasp of in high school. All my writing skills were equally achieved in that timeframe. 
Come to think of it, I actually apply &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; of what I studied in my graduate courses in my current job than I ever did when I was working as a code monkey with just my bachelors. Several courses I took on risk analysis, E-Commerce and portfolio analysis are all things I apply on a daily basis.

So in the end, I don&#039;t entirely disagree with DreamT&#039;s view or austindwellers. I have had similar arguments with stubborn MBA folks that continuously try to state that their degree was a good idea despite evidence to the contrary. So in the end, the viability of continuing education can be summed up as such: Does it make sense? It depends. Simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve,</p>
<p>You hit the nail on the head. I was basically told that from various folks who attained MBAs from various schools. In the end, the school is really them mitigating factor when it comes to the viability of the MBA.</p>
<p>That being said, perhaps my Masters was entirely un-necessary. I don&#8217;t profess that individuals could not achieve a similar set of success without one. But as I indicated earlier, I could make that claim about bachelors degrees as well.</p>
<p>From my job standpoint, when I began working as a code monkey after graduation, how much of what I learned in my undergrad do you think I honestly applied? I don&#8217;t do too many second order differential equations in my field. That metalurgy class gave me nothing. Sure, its nice to know the Laws of Thermodynamics. But all that really helped me with is explaining why my PC needs a heatsink!</p>
<p>In the end, I&#8217;ll honestly admit that much if not most of what I applied in my first few years on the job market was knowledge I had garnered in high school. Programming comes down to boolean logic and basic algebra, all things that I had a good grasp of in high school. All my writing skills were equally achieved in that timeframe.<br />
Come to think of it, I actually apply <i>more</i> of what I studied in my graduate courses in my current job than I ever did when I was working as a code monkey with just my bachelors. Several courses I took on risk analysis, E-Commerce and portfolio analysis are all things I apply on a daily basis.</p>
<p>So in the end, I don&#8217;t entirely disagree with DreamT&#8217;s view or austindwellers. I have had similar arguments with stubborn MBA folks that continuously try to state that their degree was a good idea despite evidence to the contrary. So in the end, the viability of continuing education can be summed up as such: Does it make sense? It depends. Simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: DreamT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DreamT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t firemen on-call, regularly having to unpredictably prioritize work over family (just like doctors and nurses) and work long shifts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t firemen on-call, regularly having to unpredictably prioritize work over family (just like doctors and nurses) and work long shifts?</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoa, you guys went nuts here.  

anyone looking for maximum ROI and graduating 1980-2005 should have become a bond trader.

anyone looking for maximum happiness and living in a state that will be able to honor its pension and health care obligations should have become a fireman.

and, the impact of B-school on your earning potential is entirely dependent on whether or not you went to one of the handful of schools that matter.  yes that is elitest but it is also true. the MBA education itself is not valuable.  instead, companies compete for alumni from top schools for the networks and the screening the schools&#039; admission process provides.  if you went to the GSB or HBS, you did well, very well, almost bond trader well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoa, you guys went nuts here.  </p>
<p>anyone looking for maximum ROI and graduating 1980-2005 should have become a bond trader.</p>
<p>anyone looking for maximum happiness and living in a state that will be able to honor its pension and health care obligations should have become a fireman.</p>
<p>and, the impact of B-school on your earning potential is entirely dependent on whether or not you went to one of the handful of schools that matter.  yes that is elitest but it is also true. the MBA education itself is not valuable.  instead, companies compete for alumni from top schools for the networks and the screening the schools&#8217; admission process provides.  if you went to the GSB or HBS, you did well, very well, almost bond trader well.</p>
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		<title>By: DreamT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DreamT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pralay, I had PhD in mind rather than MBA. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pralay, I had PhD in mind rather than MBA. <img src='http://www.burbed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: austindweller</title>
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		<dc:creator>austindweller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pralay,

   It&#039;s called statistical inference. I know that there is a strong correlation between undergrad education and corporate sucess. Or in other words, not having undergrad education would adversely affect your chance of being &quot;corporate successful&quot;. Do you particularly oppose this fact ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pralay,</p>
<p>   It&#8217;s called statistical inference. I know that there is a strong correlation between undergrad education and corporate sucess. Or in other words, not having undergrad education would adversely affect your chance of being &#8220;corporate successful&#8221;. Do you particularly oppose this fact ?</p>
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		<title>By: Pralay</title>
		<link>http://www.burbed.com/2009/07/06/a-good-example-of-how-zillow-is-unreliable/#comment-48407</link>
		<dc:creator>Pralay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Strange, I would have suspected there’s inverse correlation in the aggregate, between length of post-grad studies and corporate success.&lt;/i&gt;
----

Of course, it is a contrast between Bear Sterns (had office full of MBA guys) and Walmart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Strange, I would have suspected there’s inverse correlation in the aggregate, between length of post-grad studies and corporate success.</i><br />
&#8212;-</p>
<p>Of course, it is a contrast between Bear Sterns (had office full of MBA guys) and Walmart.</p>
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		<title>By: Pralay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pralay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I doubt graduate degree has much to do with their success than their innet qualities. I bet they would be as successful even without those degrees.&lt;/i&gt;
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LOL! I find very interesting that when I give example, you say &quot;I doubt graduate degree has much to do with their success&quot;. But yet you are too quick establish your argument by giving your own example (in #161). Not that I disagree with your viewpoint completely, but your argument is dubious at the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I doubt graduate degree has much to do with their success than their innet qualities. I bet they would be as successful even without those degrees.</i><br />
&#8212;-</p>
<p>LOL! I find very interesting that when I give example, you say &#8220;I doubt graduate degree has much to do with their success&#8221;. But yet you are too quick establish your argument by giving your own example (in #161). Not that I disagree with your viewpoint completely, but your argument is dubious at the best.</p>
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		<title>By: DreamT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DreamT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: I would of suspected (keeping it readable for RealEstater)</description>
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		<title>By: DreamT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DreamT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange, I would have suspected there&#039;s inverse correlation in the aggregate, between length of post-grad studies and corporate success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange, I would have suspected there&#8217;s inverse correlation in the aggregate, between length of post-grad studies and corporate success.</p>
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		<title>By: austindweller</title>
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		<dc:creator>austindweller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no or very small correlation between graduate education and &lt;b&gt; corporate &lt;/b&gt; success</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no or very small correlation between graduate education and <b> corporate </b> success</p>
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		<title>By: austindweller</title>
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		<dc:creator>austindweller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt graduate degree has much to do with their success than their innet qualities. I bet they would be as successful even without those degrees. If not, why so many PhDs can&#039;t become executives. What I mean is: There is no or very small correlation between graduate education and academic success. There is paper on this by Jefree Pfiper which became popular 4 years back. He drew a conclusion based on 25 years of data that there is no or very little correlation between MBA (let alone Phd and MS) and corporate success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt graduate degree has much to do with their success than their innet qualities. I bet they would be as successful even without those degrees. If not, why so many PhDs can&#8217;t become executives. What I mean is: There is no or very small correlation between graduate education and academic success. There is paper on this by Jefree Pfiper which became popular 4 years back. He drew a conclusion based on 25 years of data that there is no or very little correlation between MBA (let alone Phd and MS) and corporate success.</p>
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		<title>By: Pralay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pralay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, in last ten years some high school dropout Realtards easily converted their six month course for getting real estate license into &quot;investment&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, in last ten years some high school dropout Realtards easily converted their six month course for getting real estate license into &#8220;investment&#8221;.</p>
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