December 28, 2010

Clearance Sale – San Francisco

The banks say clear out the inventory, so that means slashed prices for you, the homebuyer!  Thanks to burbed reader sonarrat for today’s featured property.

956 Goettingen St, San Francisco, CA 94134
$349,000

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Beds: 3
Baths: 1
Sq. Ft.: 836
$/Sq. Ft.: $417
Lot Size: 2,996 Sq. Ft.
Property Type: Detached Single Family
Style: Contemporary
Stories: 2
Year Built: 1952
County: San Francisco
MLS#: 81023661
Source: MLSListings
Status: Active
On Redfin: 226 days

Great investment opportunity in the most active part of the bay area!

Wonder what the agent meant about “most active part of the bay area”?  Does that mean the most traffic?  Let’s check out the neighborhood, since the agent didn’t bother to tell us which one the house is in.

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Near Candlestick Park and Hunters Point?  So that means either most active wind or most active criminals.  I’d suspect the latter, because of the sole house photo.  As sonarrat notes, “Realtor earns his 3% using Google Maps.”  It took me a minute to figure that out, but a larger view of the photo makes it clear.

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Um… you mean the garage doesn’t have an orange Google pointer sticking to its door?  Or is it actually on the car?  Why not stop by and see, then you’ll be braver than this agent!

Comments (205) -- Posted by: madhaus @ 5:17 am

205 Responses to “Clearance Sale – San Francisco”

  1. The Gilroy Alex Says:

    Obviously one of those ‘hoods so bad, you just send in a drone. Which had to make a quick getaway because its operator heard the yell, “PULL!”

  2. Ehem Says:

    Not to be a pooper but this is in fact the next Cupertino. The Asian takover (have to be clear that I am not one of the twerps who occasionally turn up in these comments who dislike the wonderful, well educated and well fed cheek of earth from Kazakhstan to Vietnam or their attractive, tattoo-free, 5-on-multiple-AP-test-scoring American children)… as I was saying the Asian takover of Visitation Valley to the Bayview is well underway, there are huge parcels being opened up for development, and in 20 years we are not going to believe that it was once a bad neighborhood. I don’t even think South Basin is going to be bad, and in India Basin you can practically already smell the artisan coffee and $6 chocolate bars. The misperception about horrible Hunter’s Point weather is due to the fact that the actual park is in the Daly City-Colma fog belt, but starting 500 yards north or under various hills you get some of the typical appealing SF southeast neighborhood weather with the bonus of being even more accessible to the Peninsula, where everyone who can afford to live in SF works. There are a minimum of 10,000 new residential units in the development pipeline, closer to 20,000 in total, to house something over 30,000 people. It is not going to be a bad area for long. Golf at Gleneagles in McLaren Park, btw, it is a fantastic course for the money and you will feel like you are getting away with something.

  3. Tuno Says:

    The realtor lucked out. That seems to be the only street in Visitacion Valley that the google car entered. or at any rate, the only street in the Valley that it entered and then exited.

    I’ve morbidly wandered through that part of SF via google streetview. but not the Hunter’s Point part. Since it’s not mapped.

  4. Tuno Says:

    I wonder how people live in areas with such high crime rates, and then it occurs to me that my relatives in CT would be horrified by the muggings, car thefts and bank robberies around here.

  5. madhaus Says:

    #3, where are you posting from, Mission Street? (“Around here”)

    Besides, there’s plenty of that (“muggings, car thefts, bank robberies”) in New Haven and Hartford. If your relatives live in Greenwich, I suppose you’re going to have to move to Atherton.

  6. Tuno Says:

    Believe it or not, madhaus, there’s crime in Palo Alto, in the downtown and in the neighborhoods. murders, break-ins, strong arm robberies, bank robberies. Check the police blotters. I’m not saying that I find PA scary; I don’t. By any reasonable standards it’s totally fine. I’m making a *comparison*.

    A town of comparable wealth in CT wouldn’t have those sorts of crimes. And a rural town (which most of the state is; rural towns), would pretty much have no crime at all.

    CT is stunningly racially and economically segregated (there is no public transportation going through my hometown; there was one black kid in my entire high school, and no Hispanics, and not even any Jews!)( One of the churches, did, however, sponsor a Cambodian family; they must have thought they were on Mars), and so yes, the “big” cities are crime-ridden.

    I like it here better, even with a higher crime rate.

  7. Tuno Says:

    Growing up, I knew no-one from New Haven. people from CT don’t live in New Haven unless they are very poor. People from outside CT move there sometimes when they work at Yale.

    There are two Hartfords, for the purposes of crime rates; East Hartford and West Hartford.

  8. Tuno Says:

    Thinking about this is somewhat depressing. There’s a lot of racism and classism on the East Coast. And CT is by no means the worst. Thank god for the Bay Area, real and otherwise.

  9. SEA Says:

    Crime in the RBA?

    The only crime I can think of is when a house violates the “automatic double every 10 years” rule. That’s the biggest violation in the RBA, and we all know what happens when that rule is broken. That’s about it.

    There might be a transient guest who leaves a few garbage bins out, but the RBA is full of the friendliest people.

  10. madhaus Says:

    #5, crime is to be expected in Palo Alto. Palo Alto made a very poor choice by becoming a town for wealthy inhabitants but neglecting to surround itself with slightly less wealthy towns, each serving as a barrier to entry for transient guests. Instead, East Palo Alto rubs obscenely against Palo Alto’s northeast border, and its denizens brazenly cross the San Mateo County line into some of the most expensive areas in the entire Bay Area.

    A proper wealthy town, such as those you’re familiar with in Connecticut, would keep such transient guests far, far away by not providing bus service and locating themselves too far for walking from the hood.

    Even Atherton is plagued by transient guests from West Atherton. If you wish to be undisturbed by regular crime, perhaps you should move to some harder-to-get-to zip code, such as Carmel. Whoops, isn’t that near Salinas? My bad! Ummm…. St Helena? Ugh, no, Vallejo calling. (Going to have to do a feature on Vallejo someday, isn’t the city bankrupt?)

    Wow, this is tougher than I thought.

  11. Tuno Says:

    actually my home town is not wealthy. it is a small town, basically middle class. the method of keeping out, those who are to be kept out, is the lack of public transportation, the utter lack of cheap housing (cheapest house is about 225k), the nearly complete lack of rentals (it forbidden by zoning to e.g., rent out a room in your house), and, naturally, lots of state troopers to stop any cars on the roads leading in, that carry people who aren’t white. or, in some towns, people who are white but look poor.

    what makes this possible is that the towns have *space* between them; you drive through the woods for a mile or two at least before you get to the next town, or, more likely, on a small highway.

    I only realized all of this, after I left.

  12. madhaus Says:

    the utter lack of cheap housing (cheapest house is about 225k)

    You did reread this and chuckle, didn’t you? Didn’t you?

    No, I know what you’re talking about, Tuno. I’m from New Jersey, and some of the wealthy areas there are the same way.

  13. Real Estater Says:

    Madhaus shouldn’t speak on behalf of Palo Alto, as she has no first hand experience.

    The truth of the matter is that when you’re in Palo Alto, you don’t really feel the presence of East Palo Alto. EPA might as well be 100 miles away. The only real nuisance is when out-of-towners over utilize Palo Alto parks (they don’t come to the libraries, however), and show up for candy on Halloween night. There’s occasional crime, which is immediately publicized throughout the community. The police department is highly vigilant, and any crime is taken very seriously here.

  14. Tuno Says:

    Yes, of course:). as I typed, I thought, good grief, that’s so cheap!!! but not really, in the context.

  15. madhaus Says:

    #12 shouldn’t speak of my first-hand experience, as he has no knowledge of what mine is. I was in Palo Alto long before he was.

    #12, are you qualified to address anyone?

  16. madhaus Says:

    Forgive me for answering my own question, but the answer to #14 is “of course not.”

    Palo Alto Crime Statistics

    There’s a few surprises in there.

    Murder rate is 0.45 times the National Average
    Forcible Rape is 0.24 times the National Average
    Robbery is 0.31 times the National Average
    Aggrevated Assault is 0.19 times the National Average All Violent Crime is 0.25 times the National Average

    Actually that murder rate is a LOT higher than I’d expect for an ulta-affluent university environnent. But let’s go on.

    Burglary is 0.56 times the National Average
    Larceny is 0.93 times the National Average
    Car Theft is 0.25 times the National Average
    Arson is 2.61 times the National Average
    All Property Crime is 0.77 times the National Average

    Wow, a theft rate almost the national average in a city with home values about 10x the national average. That’s kind of fubared, isn’t it? But that’s nothing compared to the arson rate. Man, people must be burning those tear-downs because they don’t want to pay the construction companies to do the job.

    Now, get ready to laugh. Here are EAST PALO ALTO’S rates. We’ll skip the violent crime, of course it’s higher. Their overall rate is 1.63x national average, and every one of the subtypes is higher as well. But the Property crime, hoo-whee!

    Burglary is 1.24 times the National Average
    Larceny is 0.63 times the National Average (PA is .93)
    Car Theft is 1.14 times the National Average
    Arson is 0.53 times the National Average (PA is 2.61)
    All Property Crime is 0.82 times the National Average (PA is .77)

    What the HELL is wrong with Palo Alto and why would #12 say such an IDIOTIC thing as “There’s occasional crime, which is immediately publicized throughout the community.”

    These property crime rates are not “occasional.” Let me show you what an “occasional crime rate” looks like:

    DANVILLE CALIFORNIA CRIME RATES

    Murder rate is 0.00 times the National Average
    Forcible Rape is 0.00 times the National Average
    Robbery rate is 0.08 times the National Average
    Aggrevated Assault Rate is 0.20 times the National Average
    Violent Crime Rate is 0.15 times the National Average

    Burglary is 0.34 times the National Average
    Larceny is 0.36 times the National Average
    Car Theft is 0.21 times the National Average
    Arson is 0.08 times the National Average
    Property Crime rate is 0.34 times the National Average

    You know, I was going to compare Palo Alto to Cupertino, but you know what? They ALSO had a high arson rate, just nowhere as high as Palo Alto’s! But it was above the national rate, so I think I’m onto something with these rich people burning their homes down for insurance money.

    Take my word for it, Sunnyvale has lower crime rates than Palo Alto in 8 out of 10 categories (forcible rape and car theft are the exceptions).

    Want to demonstrate your lack of qualifications some more, #12?

  17. SEA Says:

    Does #12 have any first-hand experience with madhaus?

  18. SEA Says:

    #15- What a bunch of useless aggregate data. Besides, those high P*** A*** numbers were just a temporary spike.

  19. madhaus Says:

    #17, yeah, those larceny rates were only “icing on the cake” of occasional crime.

  20. Real Estater Says:

    >>Take my word for it, Sunnyvale has lower crime rates than Palo Alto in 8 out of 10 categories (forcible rape and car theft are the exceptions).

    Sunnyvale is a bad comparison. Palo Alto is more urban than Sunnyvale, with many more out-of-town visitors. Sunnyvale is known for being particularly safe. There’s no argument there.

    Personally I’m not concerned about rape stats, but car theft would be a relevant issue. Palo Alto does very well there. Overall, Palo Alto stats are not bad at all. I’m not sure why you’re making an issue out of nothing. Majority of crime in Palo Alto are committed by people from out of town. For example, the arson that burned down the Walgreens building was committed by an EPA’er. The source of the problem was alluded by madhaus earlier: A lot of craps in neighboring areas (EPA, East Menlo Park, Redwood City, parts of MV etc). Taking this factor into consideration, the crime stats for Palo Alto is impressively low.

  21. Pralay Says:

    A lot of craps in neighboring areas (EPA, East Menlo Park, Redwood City, parts of MV etc). Taking this factor into consideration, the crime stats for Palo Alto is impressively low.
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    The operative word is “taking this factor into consideration”. :)

  22. Real Estater Says:

    In the past, and to some extent today, these areas serve as sources for maids, gardeners, and public service personnel. These people are needed. The difference is that in other cities (e.g. Santa Clara) these people would reside in the same community, where as in Palo Alto they would live in surrounding communities.

  23. Petsmart Groomer Says:

    When one is the victim of a rape in Palo Alto, does it really matter whether the assailant is from out of town?

    As long as the Cayenne is safe…

  24. SEA Says:

    It’s one thing to have a single community in a large area where there are some nice places, such as Atherton, or, Medina back with the RBA went as far north as Canada. It’s quite different when large geographic regions have very high price to income ratios. (see disclosure at end)

    Take San Jose as an example. Remember when the 25th percentile house price was about $600k, the median around $750k, and the 75th percentile was approximately $1,100k? The distance from the 25th percentile to zero was greater than the distance from the 25th percentile to the 75th percentile.

    Back near the peak, what kind of a house could the needed “maids, gardeners, and public service personnel” buy? Yes, I’ve made an assumption about income and wealth; see disclosure below.

    What’s the ratio of Chiefs to Indians?

    Based on my personal observations about the distribution of wealth and income, my guess is that a 25th percentile home should be worth about 50% of a median home, which should be roughly 50% of a 75th percentile home. Subtract another ~$150k (way less than not a lot of money) from the 25th, 50th (median), and 75th percentile homes in San Jose, and these target ratios would be close. Alternatively, these ratios are based on my personal observation regarding the ratio of Chiefs to Indians.

    Clearly not scientific, and this is especially reinforced since it has not been established that the community’s wealth and income, or credit worthiness of the residents, has anything to do with the value of real estate. Prop 13, Sushi, and other factors are probably much more significant than wealth and income. And when it comes to wealth and income, that has something to do with the proper combination of diploma, address and mate, if I remember right. Don’t even suggest that there is anything circular here.

  25. Real Estater Says:

    >>When one is the victim of a rape in Palo Alto, does it really matter whether the assailant is from out of town?

    Does this stat really matter if you’re a man?

  26. Real Estater Says:

    >>Back near the peak, what kind of a house could the needed “maids, gardeners, and public service personnel” buy?

    Can’t these people rent? Didn’t the market crash because we got these people into buying houses?

  27. Petsmart Groomer Says:

    > Does this stat really matter if you’re a man?

    Does a bear shit in the woods?

  28. SEA Says:

    “Can’t these people rent? Didn’t the market crash because we got these people into buying houses?”

    Oh, yea, of course they can rent, but then we need to discuss the ratio of annual rent to purchase price.

    In fact, since the ratio has been so low, why would anyone buy?

  29. nomadic Says:

    #22, I think that means his trophy wife left him and he doesn’t have any daughters.

  30. Real Estater Says:

    >>In fact, since the ratio has been so low, why would anyone buy?

    Because those with the means don’t want to be renters. They buy for all the right reasons that I won’t repeat. Renting and buying are two different things. The ratio you’re talking about is meaningless. Buying a home is making an investment. Renting is throwing money away just like going to watch a ball game. After the game is over the money is spent. Nothing against watching a ball game (we all need entertainment from time to time), but I won’t spend money on that every single day.

  31. Real Estater Says:

    #28 – You think someone would do that when you’re living in the house? Even Alex is not that dumb.

  32. SEA Says:

    And as far as renting is ‘throwing money away,’ why do so many people rent money (i.e. borrow) to buy homes? Paying all that interest–that is just throwing money away.

  33. Real Estater Says:

    >>Paying all that interest–that is just throwing money away.

    First, that is being subsidized by the government. You can either pay interest or pay tax.

    Secondly, borrowing money allows you to leverage your investment.

    Third, time value of money. Live in the house today; pay back tomorrow with worthless money.

  34. nomadic Says:

    #28 – You think someone would do that when you’re living in the house?

    Does that mean you don’t allow them to leave the house? Do you take them to work with you each day too? Is your thinking really so muddled, or are you just that self-centered?

  35. Real Estater Says:

    nomadic,

    I think your thinking is muddled. Your wife/daughter has higher chance of getting into a car accident on the way to work than getting raped on the way to work.

  36. SEA Says:

    First: Subsidized by the government-

    Let me remind you, renting is subsidized even more. All expenses are deductible for rentals. Do you have to give up your standard deduction as a renter? Then there are all the other tax subsidies that renting brings about.

    Besides, who wants to spend $1 to get a 30 cent government subsidy? Some people get far less than 30 cents on the dollar. If the tax subsidy is only worth a few cents to a given person, shouldn’t he rent from the guy who can make the tax subsidy worth 50 cents? Yes, this is in addition to all the other tax benefits of renting.

    Second: Regarding leverage-

    Yes, so many people have been wiped out by leverage. Sucks to be the person who has leveraged real estate go down in value by a very small percentage.

    Third: Regarding the time value of money-

    Don’t renters get a better time value of money? Live in the house today, and don’t pay any interest, taxes, or maintenance? And renters pay the rent with ‘worthless dollars,’ using your term.

    But, if you are making an inflationary argument, that is you are suggesting unexpected inflation will come about, then yes, borrow as much as possible, and if you think that not only will there be unexpected inflation, but that real estate will always go up more than inflation, as we have discussed, then real estate is perfect. That’s a lot of failed assumption risk…

  37. SEA Says:

    nomadic- If Real Thinker thinks your thinking is flawed, then…

  38. Real Estater Says:

    >>All expenses are deductible for rentals.

    Yes, if you are the landlord. Try deducting your rent as a tenant, and you’ll get a letter from the IRS.

    >>Yes, so many people have been wiped out by leverage.

    Like I told you. Their loss is your gain. Buy now and you’ll be the one applying positive leverage.

    >>And renters pay the rent with ‘worthless dollars,’ using your term.

    You pay rent with today’s dollars, which by definition is at current value. When you borrow money, you pay back with future dollars.

    >>But, if you are making an inflationary argument, that is you are suggesting unexpected inflation will come about

    Unexpected if you are clueless. This is really econ 101. Look back in history. Did a dollar buy you the same thing in 1980 as it does today? Have you looked at the budget deficit lately?

  39. SEA Says:

    “Yes, if you are the landlord. Try deducting your rent as a tenant, and you’ll get a letter from the IRS.”

    Oh, you’re right, I left out the best part!

    The tenant gets the tax deduction TODAY in the form of lower rent. Talk about time value of money and no risk of an audit!

    “Their loss is your gain.”

    Unless either:

    1. It was you who lost by following this same advice in the past.
    2. The market goes down further, so it’ll be you taking the loss for the next guy’s gain.

    “You pay rent with today’s dollars, which by definition is at current value. When you borrow money, you pay back with future dollars.”

    Remind me when does a renter pay maintenance?

    “Unexpected if you are clueless. This is really econ 101. Look back in history. Did a dollar buy you the same thing in 1980 as it does today? Have you looked at the budget deficit lately?”

    Oh, yea, the people who lend money are clueless. They don’t know crap about econ 101. You know, all the lenders think inflation will be near zero, and that’s why rates are so low.

    It’s hard to believe this all started with your claim that people without money should rent, yet renting is more expensive.

  40. SEA Says:

    By the way, maybe you could clue me in on Prop 13 versus a new home buyer.

    My claim: Prop 13 allows a landlord to charge less than equivalent ownership.

    This should be so obvious that it requires no further proof.

  41. Real Estater Says:

    >>The tenant gets the tax deduction TODAY in the form of lower rent.

    Dumb ass comment (not even good enough to be smart ass). There is absolutely no relationship to tax deduction, since there is none. Your so-called lower rent is still wasted money. A homeowner pays zero rent.

    >>Unless either:

    1. It was you who lost by following this same advice in the past.
    2. The market goes down further, so it’ll be you taking the loss for the next guy’s gain.

    Like anything, you need to make good judgments. At current prices, the risk of losing money is greatly reduced. Few people get in/out at the absolute top or bottom, but in the long run current level is already sufficiently safe. You don’t want to like the guy who refuses to drive to work because an accident might happen.

    >>Remind me when does a renter pay maintenance?
    By renting, you paid for it already.

    >>Oh, yea, the people who lend money are clueless. They don’t know crap about econ 101.

    They are not in the line business to hold real estate; otherwise they would be keeping all the foreclosures homes instead of selling them.

    >>It’s hard to believe this all started with your claim that people without money should rent, yet renting is more expensive.

    Renting is like a drug habit — feels good at first but very expensive in the long run.

  42. SEA Says:

    Those evil landlords, there’s no competition, price fixing, and they keep all the money.

  43. Real Estater Says:

    >>My claim: Prop 13 allows a landlord to charge less than equivalent ownership.

    My question: So what’s your point?

  44. Real Estater Says:

    Prop 13 creates a win-win situation. It benefits home owners through lower taxes, and it benefits renters through lower rent. This is the reason Prop 13 is so popular among voters. It’s one of the best ideas ever conceived.

  45. SEA Says:

    As you know, I’ve claimed that I can start with a $1M home, and reduce the rent to the point where you will suggest it is better to rent, even if the rent is very low.

    Can you give me an idea as to how low before you’d suggest it’s better to rent?

  46. SEA Says:

    In regards to the Prop 13:

    Here’s the problem. Take two landlords with essentially identical properties located next to each other. In other words, there is no preference between the two properties.

    The first landlord purchased back in the 1970s, so the taxes are essentially zero.

    The second landlord is new to the business. His taxes are a few thousand dollars higher. For the sake of discussion, let’s assume $500 per month higher.

    Are you seriously claiming that the second landlord will get $500 more for the same unit?

    Alternatively, if the first landlord sells the exact same rented unit to the second landlord, the second landlord must raise the rent by $500 per month when all the others in the area have not been sold?

  47. nomadic Says:

    Can you give me an idea as to how low before you’d suggest it’s better to rent?

    Duh. NEVER – because its ALWAYS the right time to buy! ;-)

  48. Real Estater Says:

    SEA,

    Do you rent your car and your computer? Why or why not?

  49. Real Estater Says:

    >>Are you seriously claiming that the second landlord will get $500 more for the same unit?

    I’m claiming that life doesn’t have to be fair. Why do some people get paid more than others for working the same # of hours? Why do some people live in better places than others? Why do some people drive Porsches when others drive a beat up Toyota truck?

    Having said the above, Prop 13 is more fair than you give it credit for. Over the life of owning a home, taxes get evened out if you take into consideration inflation adjusted dollars. Like any entrepreneurial journey, one usually pays more in the beginning and get paid back later.

  50. Pralay Says:

    Do you rent your car and your computer? Why or why not?
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    Congratulation for making a self-defeating argument. What is cheaper? Renting a car or buying a car?

  51. madhaus Says:

    Wow, has this thread devolved. Maybe Prop 13 is going to end up being the Godwin Rule of Burbed or something.

    #24, if neither #22 nor #28 is the case, then why are you so indifferent to Palo Alto’s unexpectedly high violent crime rates? Most everyone would consider violent crimes much more of a concern than property crimes. Palo Alto’s murder rate is very high for the kind of city it is, and definitely out of whack with the description you gave in #12.

    The bonus part is that #12 (you don’t really feel the presence of East Palo Alto) begged to differ with my statements in #9 (A proper wealthy town… would keep such transient guests far, far away), which you then reversed yourself to agree with me in #19 (A lot of craps in neighboring areas (EPA, East Menlo Park, Redwood City, parts of MV etc). Taking this factor into consideration, the crime stats for Palo Alto is impressively low.)

    Your #19, btw, was in response to my #15, which pretty much took you behind the woodshed, boxed your ears, whipped your hide, kicked your butt, and smacked you upside the head so hard you were reduced to trolling about rape stats in hope that someone, anyone, would change the subject.

    Extra yucks for hilarious claim that Palo Alto is more urban than Sunnyvale.

    Population density of Sunnyvale: 5965.
    Population density of Palo Alto: 2445.

    Or do you also have no idea what the word urban means?

    Are you actually qualified to discuss anything? Anything at all?

  52. Pralay Says:

    Prop 13 creates a win-win situation. It benefits home owners through lower taxes, and it benefits renters through lower rent.
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    That’s “balony”, for many obvious reasons.

  53. Pralay Says:

    To reply #50, Real Estater needs SV Shopper with same ip address as backup.

    Where is SV Shopper?

  54. Real Estater Says:

    madhaus says,
    >>Palo Alto’s murder rate is very high for the kind of city it is, and definitely out of whack with the description you gave in #12.

    According to the stats you showed, it is less than half of the national average. That’s not high for an urban area. Danville is out in the boonies. Criminals can’t even reach there through public transportation.

    >>The bonus part is that #12 (you don’t really feel the presence of East Palo Alto) begged to differ with my statements in #9 (A proper wealthy town… would keep such transient guests far, far away), which you then reversed yourself to agree with me in #19 (A lot of craps in neighboring areas

    You have a reading comprehension problem. I said there are craps in surrounding areas, but you don’t feel it within the city. It’s like the “Green Zone” concept I talked about before. Housing prices pretty much keep the craps where they belong.

    >>Extra yucks for hilarious claim that Palo Alto is more urban than Sunnyvale.
    Population density of Sunnyvale: 5965.
    Population density of Palo Alto: 2445.

    Another case of useless aggregate data. Palo Alto has a lot of open space, but the urban areas are much more urban than Sunnyvale, which is still trying to build up its downtown.

  55. Pralay Says:

    Another case of useless aggregate data. Palo Alto has a lot of open space, but the urban areas are much more urban than Sunnyvale, which is still trying to build up its downtown.
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    I like Real Estater’s “I shall not be defeated in argument” attitude even when it is a slam-dunk defeat. I am waiting for post #200 saying:

    The urban areas within urban areas within urban areas within urban areas within urban areas within urban areas within urban areas within urban areas within urban areas within urban areas within urban areas within urban areas within urban areas of Palo Alto are much more urban than Sunnyvale.

  56. Pralay Says:

    I also advocate new acronym:

    UADATRE ™ = Useless Aggregate Data According To Real Estater.

  57. madhaus Says:

    Yup. #53 unqualified to discuss any topic. Thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you, too. Enjoy this list of foreclosures in Tracy.

  58. Pralay Says:

    There’s occasional crime, which is immediately publicized throughout the community. The police department is highly vigilant, and any crime is taken very seriously here.
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    #12 is hilarious in many ways. For example, a scenario based on above statement.

    Victim’s spouse: Hello. Is this Palo Alto police? I just came back from work and saw my trophy wife is murdered at home.

    Palo Alto Cop: That possibly cannot be true. We are highly vigilant.

    Spouse: What do you mean? I am telling the truth. My wife is shot dead and I am standing right in front of her dead body.

    Cop: Ok, ok, ok. Looks like it is a crime. We take crime seriously.

    Spouse: Please help me. What should I do now? I life is destroyed.

    Cop: Don’t worry. Send me all the details. We will publicize the crime information throughout the community.

  59. Pralay Says:

    Enjoy this list of foreclosures in Tracy.
    —-

    Useless Aggregate Foreclosure. There is no foreclosure in the urban areas of Tracy.

  60. SEA Says:

    “Do you rent your car and your computer?”

    Of course I’d rent my car and computer if I could rent at less than 5% of the purchase price.

  61. Tuno Says:

    #40: “Renting is like a drug habit — feels good at first but very expensive in the long run.”

    RE, you just don’t have a sense of history. I suppose that being from CA could do that to you, if you don’t read a few books to make up for it. The East Coast is loaded with areas that went up enormously in value, and are now cheap and decrepit. And these are not nasty areas to live – examples include areas along CT’s coast, where you are a block from the water. People at one point built mansions, and now you can buy them for a song.

    And even in NYC, there are wild swings, if you look at a real time frame. There have been price booms and busts there in the past 40 years, in which apartments and houses went from extremely costly, to nearly free, to extremely costly again. Unfortunately during the nearly free phase, they were not habitable.

    I agree that the RBA is delightful. maybe high prices will stick here, better than elsewhere. however, if you look at other areas that were similarly desirable – it leads you to not want to bet excessively on the prospect.

  62. SEA Says:

    Let me fix it:

    The RBA is like a drug habit — feels good at first but very expensive in the long run.

  63. Tuno Says:

    “A lot of craps in neighboring areas.”

    what does this *mean*? I haven’t seen the word “craps” used as a noun, except in gambling.

  64. SEA Says:

    Whoa #48–I’d hate to suggest you missed the entire point, but it seems obvious that you didn’t see it.

    Here is your reply, “I’m claiming that life doesn’t have to be fair. Why do some people get paid more than others for working the same # of hours? Why do some people live in better places than others? Why do some people drive Porsches when others drive a beat up Toyota truck?

    Having said the above, Prop 13 is more fair than you give it credit for. Over the life of owning a home, taxes get evened out if you take into consideration inflation adjusted dollars. Like any entrepreneurial journey, one usually pays more in the beginning and get paid back later.”

    My question is not about all this people drive Porsches and Toyota trucks, but let’s review.

    What your claim was is that the landlords charge for everything and keep any income tax benefit. This is basically the same as both FSBO people claiming to have saved the commission.

    It is 100% obvious that if my costs are $500 per month lower than your costs, I will always be able to get better tenants, since I can reduce the rent below your operating costs. Your claim is that I’d never do this, since the prices are fixed.

    Going further, you’ve also suggested the follow two things to be true:

    1. The property taxes and maintenance are included in the rent.
    2. The income tax benefit is enjoyed by the landlord at 100%.

    Note how the landlord enjoys all benefits–he passes all expenses onto tenants, yet keeps any possible benefit, such as an income tax deduction.

    Then when I point out a new landlord cannot pass the increase in property taxes to the tenant, you start talking about Porsches and Toyotas, among other things.

    Bottom line: A new landlord cannot simply charge $500 more per month to cover the sudden increase in taxes. And thus, a renter enjoys a $500 per month benefit–$500 per month lower than owning.

  65. Tuno Says:

    #15 – those Danville crime stats are mindboggling, madhaus. wow.

    but now I wonder – how did the Danville inhabitants *afford* those houses? (I checked and they’re very expensive, for a place that seems to be in the middle of not a lot). are they all going to plummet in value? there seem to be plenty of foreclosures in progress there.

    another town to follow online, with morbid curiousity

  66. Real Estater Says:

    #56,

    I responded to all of your misleading and erroneous charges. I assume that’s what you wanted, as opposed to cowardly evading the issues when challenged, like a Pralay.

  67. SEA Says:

    #65 “as opposed to cowardly evading the issues when challenged”

    Now that’s something he knows plenty about…

  68. Real Estater Says:

    Tuno,

    As I pointed out, Danville is so remote even the criminals don’t want to go there. On the contrary, everybody wants a piece of Palo Alto, yet Palo Alto is still able to maintain its stature as a great place to live. Madhaus is talking drunk from all the sour grapes.

  69. Real Estater Says:

    SEA,

    In the future, please just tell us the bottom line. Nobody has the patience to follow your old-lady-like logic.

  70. Pralay Says:

    I responded to all of your misleading and erroneous charges.
    —–

    Nobody has the patience to follow your old-lady-like logic.

  71. Pralay Says:

    As I pointed out, Danville is so remote even the criminals don’t want to go there.
    —–

    Not as remote as Tracy. Danville is only 10 minutes away from the job center in Dublin/Pleasanton (where Oracle, Sybase, and Kaiser are), 10 minutes away from BART, 10 minutes from Walnut Creek.

  72. Real Estater Says:

    >>Not as remote as Tracy. Danville is only 10 minutes away from the job center in Dublin/Pleasanton

    Tracy is 20 minutes away, at a fraction of the cost.

  73. Pralay Says:

    Tracy is 20 minutes away, at a fraction of the cost.
    —–

    Thanks for making my point. Danville is not as remote as you suggest. :)

  74. SEA Says:

    Real Estater- I’m happy that you finally figured it out.

  75. nomadic Says:

    Is 20 minutes too far to travel to do some crimes? The thugs in Tracy don’t spend as much on rent so they can probably afford a ghetto cruiser for wheels.

  76. Real Estater Says:

    I never said Tracy is not “remote”. As a result, Tracy is also a low crime area.

  77. SEA Says:

    “Tracy is 20 minutes away, at a fraction of the cost.”

    How far from P*** A*** is E*** P*** A*** in minutes time?

    My guess:

    EPA is less than 20 minutes from PA, at a fraction of the cost.

  78. Pralay Says:

    As a result, Tracy is also a low crime area.
    —-

    This is East Palo Alto. And this is Tracy. I can’t say which one is better at property crime. Can anyone help me?

  79. madhaus Says:

    I will give you a hint. P*** A*** has a much, much higher arson rate than Tracy, which is in turn higher than E*** P*** A***. So the way this must work is transient guests from EPA save lots of money on low rent, drive to Tracy in their ghetto rides to steal cars and practice burning down buildings there. Then they make new friends with Tracy renters, who, in stolen cars from Tracy, drive to P*** A*** and burn down 2.61 times more buildings there than the national average would suggest. Also steal yuppies’ exotic plants and Sub-Zero fridges and Bang & Olufsen telephones.

    They fence the goods in Danville, keeping property values high there. Danville is conveniently located on way back to Tracy (which is an hour from Pleasanton during commute hours, so try visiting fence during popular late-night hours).

  80. madhaus Says:

    Silly me, I forgot the part where the hoods from Tracy violently assault P— A— women. Their husbands and fathers strongly discouraged them from reporting crime: stat didn’t matter since it didn’t happen to a man, so do not waste highly vigilant police’s valuable time spent publicizing crime throughout community.

    Hence, lower forceable rape rate in Palo Alto (.24) than Sunnyvale (.31). Sunnyvale has bourgeois values where violent assault matters despite victim’s gender. This explains why Palo Alto has higher crime rates for everything else than Sunnyvale, despite being half as urban except in the urban areas of the urban areas of the urbanize urban areas that aren’t very urban really.

    But carjacking of Porsche always reported immediately to helpful public servant as described in #57.

  81. Real Estater Says:

    >>This is East Palo Alto. And this is Tracy. I can’t say which one is better at property crime. Can anyone help me?

    Yes, you need a whole lot of help. Look at the per capita stats at the bottom of each. One is way above national average, the other is way below. Can you figure it out from here?

  82. nomadic Says:

    Can anyone explain why the “forcible” modifier is required before rape? Is there a non-forced kind?

  83. SEA Says:

    Age and other capacity issues.

  84. Pralay Says:

    Look at the per capita stats at the bottom of each. One is way above national average, the other is way below. Can you figure it from here?
    —–

    Come on Real Estater!

    Tracy All Property Crime (per capita): 0.85 times the National Average
    East Palo Alto All Property Crime (per capita): 0.82 times the National Average

    Which one is better?

  85. madhaus Says:

    Now we are going to play a fun game. It is called ¿Quien es mas urbano?

    Ready?

    ¿Quien es mas urbano, Nueva York o Ciudad Union? That’s Union City NEW JERSEY, not California. NY or Union City? Biggest City in the US or place across the river?

    New York: 27,532
    Union City: 52,977, is the most densely populated city in the United States.

    That was just the setup.

    ¿Quien es mas urbano, Cambridge MA o Palo Alto? Harvard or Stanford? Think carefully.

    Palo Alto: 2497
    Cambridge: 16,422. Not even close!

    Let’s try another college town, because someone unqualified to comment on any topic insists Palo Alto is more urban than Sunnyvale (twice the density) too!

    ¿Quien es mas urbano, Palo Alto o…?
    – New Haven (Yale) is actual city with transient guests, density 6558
    – Princeton (Princeton) in suburbs, but NO, 7687
    – Manhattan (Columbia) huge city, 101,548
    – Providence (Brown) actual city, 3629
    – Hanover (Dartmouth) middle of nowhere, where men are men, women are too, and sheep are nervous, density 85.3
    – Philadelphia (U of Pennsylvania) another real city, density 11,233
    – Ithaca (Cornell) another college in middle of fvcking nowhere, and still density 5360!
    – Los Angeles (UCLA) Urban sprawl, but still more urban at 8169 overall, much more crowded in Westwood of course
    – Berkeley (UC) Another real city, 9823
    – Austin (UT) (Despite being in Texas, still more urban! 2610
    – Ann Arbor (UM) Density 4270

    Is Palo Alto more urban than any of the college towns above? Any of them? Bueller? What’s that? It’s more urban than Hanover, New Hampshire? Yes, that’s true.

    Then again, GILROY (2615) is more urban than Hanover, New Hampshire. For that matter, Gilroy is more urban than Palo Alto.

    Go on. Tell us how urban Palo Alto is.

  86. Real Estater Says:

    >>Which one is better?

    I guess you can’t figure it out. Property crime stats are the same for all practical purposes, but violent crimes are way different. If you look at both sets of numbers, which one is better overall?

  87. madhaus Says:

    #81: Can anyone explain why the “forcible” modifier is required before rape? Is there a non-forced kind?

    The other kind is statutory rape. Usually most transient guests accused of the latter are released on OR because they claim they had no idea it was a statue.

  88. madhaus Says:

    #85, house in Tracy much less likely to be burned down than house in Palo Alto. Plan accordingly.

  89. Pralay Says:

    Property crime stats are the same for all practical purposes, but violent crimes are way different. If you look at both sets of numbers, which one is better overall?
    —-

    Thanks for telling me that when it comes to property crime, “low crime” Tracy is is as bad as East Palo Alto.

    Personally I’m not concerned about rape stats (a subset of violent crime stat), but car theft (a subset of property crime stat) would be a relevant issue.

  90. Pralay Says:

    Tracy car theft rate per capita: 1.08 times the National Average
    EPA car theft rate per capita: 1.14 times the National Average

    Both looks more or less same.

    Tracy rape: 0.44 times the National Average
    EPA rape: 1.63 times the National Average

    But who cares about rape? Someone’s wife/daughter has higher chance of getting into a car accident on the way to work than getting raped on the way to work.

  91. madhaus Says:

    #53, you really don’t want me to show that Palo Alto has a higher crime rate than all those other “urban” areas, do you?

    This is like shooting candy in a barrel.

  92. Real Estater Says:

    Madhaus,

    We already saw the stats. Crime rate in Palo Alto is well below national average. Living here crime is just not something you think about. I frequently make a run to Starbucks without bothering to lock my door, and plenty of people park on the streets. Like I said you’re making a case out of nothing.

  93. Real Estater Says:

    Pralay,

    Tracy is way cheaper than EPA, yet its crime stats are better overall. I’d live in Tracy before I’d stay a night in EPA.

  94. Pralay Says:

    Tracy is way cheaper than EPA, yet its crime stats are better overall.

    “Overall” does not matter. The only relevant issue is car theft where EPA and Tracy are same.

  95. madhaus Says:

    I would suggest the bang at your bucks you get in Palo Alto is quite high. That is, more crime per housing dollar than similar “urban” areas. This ratio can be determined by multiplying median home price by crime rate, divided by population density, to produce an “urban misery index.”

    In this case, Palo Alto fares quite poorly, in that is is very expensive coupled with a higher crime rate than expected given its density. “Manhatten” has a much better index, saved by a real urban density.

  96. Pralay Says:

    Like I said you’re making a case out of nothing.
    —–

    There is only one person who is making a case out of nothing. That’s Real Estater who got upset that #5 and #9 are taking about crime in Palo Alto. As a rebuttal, he ended up posting hilarious #12 – “highly vigilant”, “crime taken seriously”, “immediately publicized” bla bla bla :)

  97. Pralay Says:

    I frequently make a run to Starbucks without bothering to lock my door,
    —–

    That explains why you learned to spell “Star Bucks” correctly. Repetitive and frequently reading helps.

  98. SEA Says:

    #86, “The other kind is statutory rape.”

    Don’t forget about the other capacity issues.

  99. Real Estater Says:

    >>Don’t forget about the other capacity issues.

    You mean like when the victim is Asian?

  100. madhaus Says:

    #98, capacitive displays are much better than resistive. Oh oh, EE jokes. I better quit while I’m behind.

  101. madhaus Says:

    #98, does not matter if victim is Asian. Only thing that matters is if Asian car is stolen.

  102. Real Estater Says:

    Pralay says,
    >>As a rebuttal, he ended up posting hilarious #12 – “highly vigilant”, “crime taken seriously”, “immediately publicized” bla bla bla

    You obviously can’t relate to the rebuttal because you are not part of this community. Everything I stated is absolutely valid, and I would reiterate these points without reservation.

  103. Pralay Says:

    “Manhatten” has a much better index, saved by a real urban density.
    —–

    But, but, but Palo Alto is comparable to “Manhatten” you know.

  104. madEstater Says:

    Stop making fun of me! Stop it! Just stop it! I am a member of this community! And you’re not! Because I said so, because I own a HOUSE in PALO ALTO which MAKES ME the BOSS of YOU!!!! So just SHUT UP ALL OF YOU! Just SHUT UP! I am the BOSS of EVERYONE on this BLOG! And nobody has heard from Burbed in months so that means I AM IN CHARGE! ME ME ME ME ME!!!!! Because I have the BEST ZIP CODE! ME!

  105. Pralay Says:

    Everything I stated is absolutely valid, and I would reiterate these points without reservation.
    —-

    Don’t have to, because the information you provided in #12 is vague, subjective, non-measurable and therefore irrelevant.

  106. Real Estater Says:

    >>That explains why you learned to spell “Star Bucks” correctly.

    Actually, I misspelled it again.

  107. madhaus Says:

    #102, no it isn’t. “Manhatten” has Madison Avenue. Plus SV Shopper.

    One thing it has that P— A— doesn’t: Snow Removal Issues. This is almost as serious as Cayenne theft.

    Warning: Link audio NSFW.

  108. Real Estater Says:

    madhaus,

    I’m laughing pretty hard right now because you think you’re making fun of me while making an utter fool of yourself. Coming back full circle – You have no experience with life in Palo Alto and better quit while you’re behind.

  109. Pralay Says:

    Stop making fun of me! Stop it! Just stop it! I am a member of this community!
    —-

    Today I went to “Star Bucks” without locking door. Nothing stolen. Therefore, nobody talks about Palo Alto crime, OK?

  110. SEA Says:

    “Everything I stated is absolutely valid,”

    And of course, since everything you say is absolutely valid, it’s absolutely valid to claim everything is absolutely valid.

    As pointed out in #23, there is nothing circular here.

  111. Pralay Says:

    Actually, I misspelled it again.
    —–

    I did not know you live in China.

  112. madEstater Says:

    I am laughing AT YOU! Do you hear me, Mad House? At YOU YOU YOU, thinking you have the right to make fun of ME! I am BETTER than you! I am the BOSS of you. I would be the BOSS of you anyway because you WEAR TAMPONS. Or maybe you DON’T because YOU’RE OLD. But you are a GIRL so you DO NOT MATTER. I do not CARE if you are RAPED because as a MAN I do not have to WORRY about it (as long as my MEGAPROJECT isn’t AUDITED and I am SENT TO THE SLAMMER FOR TEN YEARS and then have to DISCOVER that rape stats affect MEN too).

    No matter what you say I am BETTER than you. So laugh all you want, House Wife from STUPID ZIP CODE.

  113. madhaus Says:

    #110, didn’t you notice that place is a fake? It is actually a “Coffe” shop.

  114. Real Estater Says:

    >>I did not know you live in China.

    No, actually I live in India.

  115. Real Estater Says:

    See, at least in Inida they know how to spell Star Bucks properly.

  116. Real Estater Says:

    madhaus,

    This year will be done soon. Hopefully you’ll feel better next year.

  117. madhaus Says:

    #108, today I left house in Sunnyvale without locking my door. When I came back everything was still there. Even the $1200 computer delivered to front porch was left safely alone. Satisfied the crime rate in Sunnyvale was low enough to ignore, I put the bag of blow on the porch for Alex, knowing it would wait safely for his arrival in six hours.

    Boy was I surprised when some stressed-out first-line manager in a Cayenne tried to pinch it, in order to “prove” there was actual crime in Sunnyvale. A quick call to the vigilant Sunnyvale public safety office resulted in a quick arrest. I think he is researching rape stats in Sunnyvale jail right now.

    Also I hear from vigilant Sunnyvale public safety officers that alleged blow thief kept showing his P— A— license, saying that he should get VIP section of jail for having one.

  118. Pralay Says:

    #102, no it isn’t. “Manhatten” has Madison Avenue. Plus SV Shopper.
    —-

    But hey, SV Shopper who is posting from “Manhatten” and Real Estater who is posting from Palo Alto have same IP address.

  119. madhaus Says:

    #114, I don’t know where Inida is, but I am fairly sure #110 is not from there.

  120. madhaus Says:

    #117, yes same IP address. Same Inida Poster.

  121. Real Estater Says:

    Who says I’m posting from Palo Alto? It’s noon here at Star Bucks in India.

  122. Pralay Says:

    It’s noon here at Star Bucks in India.
    —-

    No you are not. Because it is not noon in India now. It’s afternoon.

  123. Pralay Says:

    Boy was I surprised when some stressed-out first-line manager in a Cayenne tried to pinch it
    —–

    You mean that “average tech guy” manager who does not understand that two different customers cannot (actually, should not) have same IP address (even if the ISP is same), hence tacitly admitting that he was posting as SV Shopper.

  124. Real Estater Says:

    >>No you are not. Because it is not noon in India now. It’s afternoon.

    Oops, the clock is slow because we lost electricity for some time.

  125. Real Estater Says:

    Damn, I’m choking on my Star Bucks spices

  126. Pralay Says:

    Oops, the clock is slow because we lost electricity for some time.
    —–

    :) Another proof that someone has no clue about India. There is no electricity driven clock in India (because for the very same reason that they lose electricity quite often). How is your effort for making your kids well rounded by traveling widely going on?

    It’s not clock that is running slow. It’s your brain. It definitely needs some electric shock. If you are in India, 240 Volts (which is standard in India) will be suitable.

  127. Real Estater Says:

    >> There is no electricity driven clock in India

    Don’t you get it? In Star Bucks they use all-American technology.

  128. SEA Says:

    My dream is to sit in an all-American Starbucks in India on NYE while my Porsche sets in the street in America.

  129. Real Estater Says:

    I’m at a real Indian place now. No electric clock here, just a guy who moves the hand of the clock every few minutes. I wonder how much he gets paid per hour.

  130. DreamT Says:

    I’ll share that Real Estater told me they don’t have IPs in India either – they send HTTP messages using an abacus. He’s having a heck of a time training on it.

  131. madhaus Says:

    HTTP messages? You mean High-Tech Transient Posts?

  132. DreamT Says:

    see, the IP confusion is easily explained: there is mass-production of illegal abacus copies in China. While Real Estater is using his legit abacus in India, SV Shopper has an illegal copy, same serial number.
    Mark my word, abaci are a step back from smoke signals.

  133. madhaus Says:

    That explains everything. SV Shopper stands for Shenzhen Vicarious Shopper. When will someone tell SV Shopper there is a bubble in Chinese real estate?

  134. SV Shopper Says:

    I don’t have the same IP as RE. If anyone is wondering, I live in south Sunnyvale (94087). My IP should be from this area if anyone is checking.

  135. Pralay Says:

    I don’t have the same IP as RE.
    —-

    Correction: I don’t have the same IP as RE anymore (because I am posting it from “Star Bucks”).

  136. SV Shopper Says:

    I’m at my home. If you can’t tell that, you’re admitting everything you’re saying is made up.

  137. Pralay Says:

    You mean on Dec 29 Real Estater was posting from your home, both of you posting 3 minutes apart?

  138. SVEstater Says:

    If you can’t tell exactly where I am posting from RIGHT NOW then I am the BOSS of you FOREVER. STOP saying that I am RE. He is the BOSS OF ME. He is also BOSS of John and Top Dog. He is the BOSS of all of you. NOW STOP saying I am him. You can’t prove anything I didn’t do it and nobody saw me.

    All of you LOSERS just SHUT UP.

  139. SV Shopper Says:

    I sign on whenever I feel like. No need to explain to a liar. You said I’m at Starbucks. How many hours do you think I can spend at Starbucks?

  140. SVEstater Says:

    LIAR LIAR you said I am at Star Bucks. Haha you will never find me on my mobile device. I AM BOSS OF YOU.

  141. Pralay Says:

    He is also BOSS of John and Top Dog.
    —-

    You missed another – San Jose Craig. May be it’s time for Real Estater to crate a new id on Burbed. How about Tracy The Trophy Wife?

  142. SEA Says:

    Who cares if one sheep or two sheep fall over the cliff?

  143. SV Shopper Says:

    Pralay always posts 3 minutes apart, or less, from Real Estater. What does that say about him?

  144. SEA Says:

    #142- Could you please point to the message that is within 3 minutes (plus or minus) of #140? #136?

  145. Pralay Says:

    Nothing, because I and Real Estater never post from same IP address (and I would be worried if my IP address is same as Real Estater’s).

  146. Pralay Says:

    #144 is in reply to #142.

  147. Pralay Says:

    #142- Could you please point to the message that is within 3 minutes (plus or minus) of #140? #136?
    —–

    3 minute is not the primary issue here. It’s same IP address. When madhaus pointed out that both Real Estater and SV Shopper are posting from same IP address and patting each other, Real Estater came up with the most hilarious explanation why his IP address and SV Shopper IP address are same (imagine millions customers of Comcast have same IP address :) ). The three minute difference just an additional proof.

  148. SEA Says:

    The claim of 3 minutes just shows how absurd it is. Those who have been keeping track know, you don’t always post within 3 minutes.

  149. SVEstater Says:

    Oh no they are on to me they think I am same person as my sockpuppet what should I do deny deny deny divert divert divert attack attack attack okay here we go

    I AM THE BOSS OF YOU. I have a HOUSE in PALO ALTO. Oh wait… I HAVE A HOUSE IN SOUTH SUNNYVALE. OH wait I didn’t buy a house yet WAIT WAIT WAIT I live in SOUTH SUNNYVALE I am a renter but YOU SHOULD BUY.

    SEA how come YOU post WITHIN 3 MINUTES of REAL ESTATER who is ONLY PERSON ON BLOG who KNOWS what HE is TALKING ABOUT? HE IS THE BOSS OF YOU.

    PS: Pralay, SEA, Madhousewife, nomadick, YOU ALL SUCK.

  150. madhaus Says:

    I am posting within 3 minutes of #148 just to prove I am not avoiding posting within 3 minutes.

  151. nomadic Says:

    Hey, didn’t RE say he used to live in Sunnyvale before movin’ on up to PA? Maybe he left his sock puppet behind in a closet or duct and now he can post from there using the same IP address.

    Yeah… that’s the ticket!

  152. Pralay Says:

    Oh yes, he lived in “one of the safest cities”. I guess they use static IP from two different locations in time-share basis.

  153. Marty Says:

    Happy New Year – May all of you get lives in the coming year.

  154. Real Estater Says:

    I got first post of the new year. Happy new year everyone!

  155. Real Estater Says:

    Happy 2011!

  156. Real Estater Says:

    >>I AM THE BOSS OF YOU.

    Not the boss, just the leader. Always have been; always will. Happy new year, madhaus!

  157. DreamT Says:

    Real Estater – thanks for your resilience and entertainment skills. May you have a prosperous 2011.

  158. Pralay Says:

    I got first post of the new year.
    —-

    Poor Real Estater. Nobody invited him in any new year party. Not even SV Shopper.

  159. madhaus Says:

    #157, but nobody disputes #155 is BOSS leader of #142. He should have ordered worker bees like #142 to invite him to social event, lest he be reduced to posting on a blog at midnight on New Year’s Eve.

    This is TRAGIC. #155 has lost serious face to worker bees. What can we do to help?

  160. Real Estater Says:

    Pralay says,
    >>Poor Real Estater. Nobody invited him in any new year party. Not even SV Shopper.

    LOL. Who cares for New Year parties! Are you still in high school, and worried about your social status? That we already know about anyways.

  161. Real Estater Says:

    madhaus says,
    >> He should have ordered worker bees like #142 to invite him to social event, lest he be reduced to posting on a blog at midnight on New Year’s Eve.

    You got it wrong just like Pralay. It’s the worker bees who go to these silly New Year’s eve parties. You won’t find me or DreamT there.

  162. Pralay Says:

    Who cares for New Year parties!
    —-

    Sour grape.

  163. Pralay Says:

    Are you still in high school,
    —-

    I see lots of wisdom, maturity and achievement in #153, especially in following sentence:

    I got first post of the new year.

    Definitely not high-schoolish. :)

  164. Real Estater Says:

    It’s consistent with the current “leader” theme.

  165. Pralay Says:

    I agree, it is consistent with “leader” themed jokes. As #156 mentioned already, thanks for your entertainment skill.

  166. Real Estater Says:

    Pralay,

    Since you have neither attended high school nor open house in this land, my recommendation is that you stay away from these 2 subjects.

  167. Pralay Says:

    You mean that high school?

  168. madhaus Says:

    #162, agree. More like elementary school.

    #163, happy new year and free advice from the Harvard MBA program. Anyone who finds it necessary to remind people they’re the leader definitely isn’t.

    I could go into the different forms of organizational authority but that’s really all that’s needed here.

  169. Pralay Says:

    Anyone who finds it necessary to remind people they’re the leader definitely isn’t.
    —-

    That reminds me the dishonest character of Beau Peep comic strip – Honest Abdul. And yes, he does have “Honest Abdul” labeled on his caravan – just to remind people that he is honest.

  170. SEA Says:

    Does getting Real free advice improve the combination of diploma, address and mate?

  171. nomadic Says:

    I don’t like this Abdul character. He cheats the nomad. ;-)

  172. Pralay Says:

    Ok, don’t call Abdul in your new year party. But don’t complain if you miss the chance of owning “enemy detector” that doubles in price in every 10 years. And if can’t detect enemy, you can’t be a “leader”.

  173. Real Estater Says:

    Pralay,

    Why don’t you tell us about the New Year party you went to? How many important people did you meet, and how chicks did you impress? We all admire your untouchable social skills. Wow, you were partying during New Year!

  174. Pralay Says:

    How many important people did you meet, and how chicks did you impress?
    —-

    Are these the reason you go (or you want to go) to any party? No wonder nobody invites you anymore. :(

    Yes, I did meet important people in party. And they are important because they are my very close friends.

  175. Pralay Says:

    BTW Real Estater“Leader”, don’t be so touchy about New Year party. Your #153 and #154 were hilarious and I couldn’t resist commenting about them (especially I liked your mis-hit #153 assuming it is 2011 already and when you realized that it was still 11:59 2010 on Burbed’s clock, you posted #154). Don’t take it seriously. If my comment hurts your feeling, I taking my comment #157 back.

  176. Real Estater Says:

    Pralay,

    My feelings are hurt. You didn’t count me as one of your close friends even though I’ve reached out to help you at every chance possible?

  177. Real Estater Says:

    >>Are these the reason you go (or you want to go) to any party?

    Clearly I don’t have a reason to go to any party. Why are you still evading the question about your party?

  178. Pralay Says:

    Clearly I don’t have a reason to go to any party.
    Why are you still evading the question about your party?

    —–

    Aha! I thought you go to party to gain social status and impress chicks (just like you do on your dog walk). My mistake.

    BTW, I did not evade your question. Re-read #173.

  179. Real Estater Says:

    Pralay,

    I can assure you, social status is not gained by going to any party. Instead of wasting time evading the question, why don’t you have the confidence to just answer the question?

  180. Pralay Says:

    My feelings are hurt. You didn’t count me as one of your close friends even though I’ve reached out to help you at every chance possible?
    —-

    Ok, I take #157 back.
    And here the deal. If you think that you are SO LONELY and I am the closest friend you can ever get, I will invite you next year. And please try to bring your Trophy Wife too. I know it will be hard (which is very apparent from this new year eve), but please try.

  181. Pralay Says:

    Instead of wasting time evading the question, why don’t you have the confidence to just answer the question?
    —–

    Re-read #173 to get the answer. Needs simpler explanation, “leader”?

  182. Real Estater Says:

    #179,

    No need to wait til next year. How about I treat you to coffee as a nice gesture? We can meet in front of Star Bucks or Face Book. Your pick. I mean it. I will show up.

  183. Real Estater Says:

    >>Re-read #173 to get the answer. Needs simpler explanation, “leader”?

    You can explain it to me over coffee.

  184. madhaus Says:

    I would pay to watch this historic coffee meeting. We could take side bets on how many cups of coffee are consumed rather than thrown.

  185. Real Estater Says:

    That sounds like a business proposition. Let’s do it Pralay, and then we can charge pay-per-view. Where are you Pralay?

  186. Pralay Says:

    How about I treat you to coffee as a nice gesture? We can meet in front of Star Bucks or Face Book. Your pick.
    —-

    Damn, Real Estater. I promised to invite you in my party, and all you could do is meeting in “Star Bucks” or “Face Book”! I thought you would invite your “closest friend” to your home. Or at least in your Tracy rental.

  187. DreamT Says:

    “How about I treat you to coffee at my home as a nice gesture?”
    I might pay-per-view to that, but only if it includes a glimpse of the exotic plants, the sub-zero fridge and – most of all – the Bang & Olufsen phone.

  188. Pralay Says:

    We could take side bets on how many cups of coffee are consumed rather than thrown.
    ——

    I drink spicy coffee with lots of red chili power.

  189. Real Estater Says:

    Pralay,

    You’re invited to come to your favorite zip. Will you accept the invitation?

  190. Pralay Says:

    I might pay-per-view to that, but only if it includes a glimpse of the exotic plants, the sub-zero fridge and – most of all – the Bang & Olufsen phone.
    —-

    And custom-built furnitures. And Rolex.

  191. madhaus Says:

    Oh I wouldn’t dream of cheapening this historic meeting by encouraging you two to prostitute yourselves. I was going to suggest the viewers donate to an appropriate charity, but I can’t find anything that helps borrowers who lost a million dollars in equity, or banks who misplaced their loan paperwork when they sold the same mortgage to 100,000 different synthetic CDOs.

    I’ll be acting as bookmaker on the bets, though. Remember, betting is illegal, so only bet with someone you trust not to rat you out.

  192. Pralay Says:

    You’re invited to come to your favorite zip. Will you accept the invitation?
    —-

    I can’t wait. Post your home address here. :)

  193. Real Estater Says:

    Pralay,

    Re-read the invitation. You are invited to drink coffee in your favorite zip. Will you accept?

    This is a sincere invitation. My home and your home are both off limits in order to respect each others’ privacy. The important thing is people and friendship. Venue does not matter as long as we meet and greet. I will bring a camcorder for the PPV. All proceeds from my side will be donated to your favorite charity. Does this not sound like a home-run proposition?

  194. Real Estater Says:

    Come on, Pralay. There’s no reason to evade or find excuses. We are both professionals and this should be a fun event.

  195. Real Estater Says:

    Pralay,

    There is no “catch” here, just coffee.

  196. Pralay Says:

    You are invited to drink coffee in your favorite zip
    …..
    …..
    This is a sincere invitation. My home and your home are both off limits in order to respect each others’ privacy. The important thing is people and friendship.

    —–

    Hmmmm. So you are trying to sell “favorite zip” as gesture of sincerity? I am impressed. :)

  197. Real Estater Says:

    Why don’t you think about it over night? Let me know if you have any concerns. Again, I assure you it will be a friendly meeting. I wouldn’t do anything to jeopardize my reputation.

  198. madhaus Says:

    Camcorder? I’m attending live at the next table. Besides, betting action needs to be placed in person, too.

  199. Pralay Says:

    There is no “catch” here, just coffee.
    —–

    Of course there is no catch. Just post your home address. Not just me, all your “close friends” will show up (I cannot guarantee about all the sock-puppets like John, SV Shopper, Top Dog, Craig though).

  200. Pralay Says:

    I wouldn’t do anything to jeopardize my reputation.
    —-

    You have one? Oh yes, I forgot, you are a “leader”. :)

  201. Real Estater Says:

    >>Camcorder? I’m attending live at the next table. Besides, betting action needs to be placed in person, too.

    If you can convince Pralay to show up, I’m fine with you being there.

  202. Real Estater Says:

    >>Of course there is no catch. Just post your home address.

    I already explained. Homes are off limites, unless you want to volunteer your own home. Otherwise, please don’t ask something of others that you’re unable to accomodate.

    May I suggest University Avenue “Star Bucks”? I’m available most mornings except Wednesdays (have board meeting).

    Imagine that — Free coffee with your Burbed friend in 94301!

  203. Pralay Says:

    Homes are off limites, unless you want to volunteer your own home. Otherwise, please don’t ask something of others that you’re unable to accomodate
    —-

    How so? I am going to invite you to next year New Year Eve party. You are inviting me to your home for a coffee. Isn’t that a good deal for “friendship”? Where is the question of “accomodate” (sic)? It’s all friendship, isn’t it?

  204. Pralay Says:

    Imagine that — Free coffee with your Burbed friend in 94301!
    —–

    I am trying to imagine. Free coffee in 94301. It’s so exciting! I won’t be able to sleep tonight in excitement! ;)

  205. Pralay Says:

    I’m available most mornings except Wednesdays (have board meeting).
    —-

    You wouldn’t have to mention that. We all know that whenever you are not available (e.g. not posting on Burbed) you are in some board meeting. As you mentioned, I am curious if it is cardboard meeting or styrofoam-board meeting?


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