January 2, 2011

The Decline and Fall of the Real Estate Bubble Site

It’s 2011, and Burbed is still here.  Not every real estate site can say the same thing.

Simply checking the blogroll links at right shows that a number of bubblicious blogs have either shut down entirely or exist in suspended animation, with the most recent post made months or even years ago.

This article from the old bubble days links to us right at the head of the California blog section.  It’s a 2007 list of 750 real estate blogs from every state in the Union, from a Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania property blog.  How many of these 750 are still updated regularly?  How many are shut down completely?

Say goodbye, or at least maybe later, to these California sites on the list:

  • Grow-a-Brain (Riverside), which called itself “The original real estate blog,” abandoned January, 2010.  Blogged every day for 7 years, now blogging about his new baby.
  • Making a Killing in Real Estate – Killed.
  • Riverside Realtor Blog – Abandoned December 2007.
  • Sunny Spot Realty – Moved to new site, but only the newest post is accessible.
  • Laguna Niguel Real Estate Blog – 404
  • The Real Estate Blog (Los Angeles) – Essentially abandoned in April, 2010
  • San Francisco Real Estate – Abandoned this year by February with last post in August.  They had an interesting piece in May on how Google affects SF rental stock.
  • Southern California Real Estate Blog – Changed name to Long Beach Real Estate Insights and slowly dying; 5 real estate-related posts between March and September.
  • Desert Homes Today – Deserted
  • Eco-Almanac for the Landed Poor (San Diego) – Better known as Professor Piggington’s this highly-respected bubble site is now only updated once every two weeks with links from Voices of San Diego.
  • Southern California Real Estate Bubble Crash – Moved and now only updated every few weeks.  The owner “Chuck Ponzi” explains it’s because he bought a house (yes, it was a foreclosure) plus arrival of third child.  He says they were renters for six years because he sold their house in 2004 for being “overvalued.”  This was a thoughtful site whose only weakness was failure to link to us.  I like this graphic.
  • SF Home Blog – Evicted
  • The Oakland Real Estate Blog – Probably arson, because nothing left standing
  • San Diego Real Estate Blog / Peter Toner – Appears to be more current than it is by clever decision to leave dates off home page.  Articles appear in bursts when new writer is brought in.  One post for December 2010.
  • LA Real Estate – Lots of green.  So green.  So very, very, very green.
  • Rey Estate – The King is Dead.
  • VF Consulting’s Real Estate Blog (Los Angeles) – Last post, August 2010.
  • In the Trenches (Kevin Boer) – Buried
  • Sacramento Land(ing) – Last real (rather than automatic) post was October 2009.
  • Square Feet Blog (Silicon Valley/Mercury News) – Last post October 27th, killed by SJ Mercury News rather than by blogger Sue McAllister. 
  • Cameron Novak’s Real Estate Blog (Corona) – Last entry, January 2010.  Another ironic final post.
  • Beach City Blog (Long Beach) – Last entry, March 2007.  Only 2 entries, wonder why it made the list in the first place.
  • Orange County Real Estate News (Daniel Realty) – Last entry May, 2010, last regular series of posts, July 2009. In yet another whistle in the dark, this realtard not only calls bottom a year and a half ago, but makes his eight-grade English teacher cry.
  • America’s Most Opinionated Mortgage Broker – Appears to have gotten into a more profitable business: selling Japanese women’s clothing
  • Sacramento Real Estate News – Now a RE/MAX site called come2sacramento.com.  News no longer welcome or wanted.
  • HomesMax Bay Area Real Estate (Alameda & Contra Costa) – Last entry, June 2007: Open House Bandits Captured.  Goes real well with this entry about home sellers who accused the blogger or his clients of stealing a watch from their house.
  • Condocontessa San Francisco Real Estate (South Beach SF) – Last entry, July 2008.  St. Paul, MN native reinvented herself as contessa of real estate while posting in bursts and then ignoring site for months at a time.
  • Burbank life, filmmaking, and real estate – Two out of three ain’t bad
  • El Dorado and Amador County Real Estate – Now called Placerville Real Estate, last entry, July 2008.  This agent kept a Sacramento real estate blog going, though.
  • Maury Properties – It’s kind of blank.
  • Berkeley Homes – Last entry, January 2010.  The blog is about Berkeley rather than real estate (despite being the creation of a couple of agents), and has a lot of broken image links.  Other links on the page will take you to their real estate content.  This is also the only real estate site I’ve ever seen with what appears to be, but isn’t, a David Lance Goines-designed logo.
  • Lending Clarity – Clearly taken over a week ago by someone who has nothing to do with California real estate.  Can anyone figure out what the new blog is about?  There are six articles on it: raw dog food, nandina plants, article submission and SEO, syncing files among several devices, HVAC valves and moving services in New Jersey.
  • OC Prudent Bear (Huntington Beach) – Last entry, November 2009.  Blogger bought a house in Huntington Beach in September, 2009, so that might have something to do with the
    death of this housing bear site.
  • Starboard TCN (Bay Area Commercial RE) – While there are current posts, site is updated are more by the month than the week.  Plenty of posts in 2005.
  • Your Real Estate Voice – has been gagged
  • Jackie’s SF Real Estate Blog – Last entry, October 2010.  In fact, this is the only entry.  Where did her blog go?  No sign of it, except this fawning puff piece from NAR about why you should be just like Jackie and create a real estate blog.  It seems, like our vanquished rival Luba,(and her abandoned blog that she shamelessly hustled attempting to win a Zillow award) Jackie has moved to Facebook.
  • Real Estate Blog for Palo Alto, Mountain View, California and Surrounding Communities – That’s a mouthful, and the latest post is from October.  The second latest is from May. This was no high-volume blog, where 6 posts a month was a record.
  • Relocation A to Z (Carlsbad) – Another Realtown blog (as the awkwardly named mouthful above is), with six posts this month and very few earlier this year.  The agent running it used to post almost daily back in the glory bubble days.  In April 2008, his personal bubble popped and updates went to weekly or less.
  • Rancho Santa Margarita Homes and Lifestyles – Last entry, December 2008.  Another agent who would post tremendous amounts and then not show up for months.
  • Remodeling Blog by Elegant Kitchen Cabinets (San Carlos) – Whoops, all the cabinets ripped out.  Nothing new since 2008, anyway.  Who would have predicted kitchen porn would suffer from a housing downturn?
  • PopCasa – Mi casa es no casa
  • LA Land – Defunct LA Times blog that now links to its business section (and not even the real estate page).

How many of the California blogs are still in business (updates at least once a week): 19.  Out of 63.

Among the still posting most days sites, don’t be in the least bit surprised that one is called The Mortgage Fraud Blog.  Also, I have to call out Sacramento Real Estate Voice for one of the most honest assessments of how 2010 went for anyone still in the real estate industry.

And of the 750 blogs in that list,I took a quick spot check by counting up six states (AL, CT, ID, KS, NV, WI).  How many of their blogs are still going?

  • Still publishing: 7, plus 2 that moved from originally listed sites
  • Dying on the IP with less than a new post a month: 7
  • Abandoned (last post more than a year ago, most untouched since ‘08): 13
  • Dead: 6
  • Private access only: 1

Actually you absolutely must check out this abandoned Las Vegas blog that I found in doing the spot-check.  The last entry is perfect.

In addition, here are a few more sites Burbed recommended that have departed us, alas:

  • Bubbletrack (San Diego County)
  • East Bay Housing Bubble
  • Housing Bubble Casualty
  • Jim Kunstler  — moved HERE (see below)
  • Patrick – still there, just a bad link (see below)
  • View From Silicon Valley – Sigh, this nicely done blog covering renting and buying woes just went pfft… The blogger used to comment here to mention new pieces were up, but never stuck around to chat.

Here’s a couple more sites I remember that have left us as well.

  • Central Coast Bubble
  • The Original LA Land

And some sites that stopped updating or tapering off, not already covered above (no links if already in the blogroll):

  • Another F@cked Borrower – Last entry, March 2009.  Straight-talk about how bad it was, written by a mortgage “insider”
  • Bakersfield Bubble – Blogger has enough in January 2009 and posted a May ‘09 local “expert” calling bottom
  • Bay Area Housing Bubble – Last entry, August 2010.  Written by Doug in Alamo, with almost all the latest posts obsessed with… gold.  The blog ran from January ‘06 until last year.
  • Bubble Markets Inventory Tracking – The San Diego bubble site that named names and hid from angry agents ended up going to invited guests only.  The only real estate site with an anti-SLAPP warning on the front page.  Alas, the last past was in October 2009.
  • examiner.com Real Estate San Francisco – Mr. Front Steps writes a blog, abandons it in July 2009
  • Home Girl – East Bay real estate – tapering off since blogger decided instead of writing about real estate she’d sell it.
  • Housing Panic – Attitudinal bubble site stopped updating in November, 2008, with an update 2 weeks ago that says, I kid you not, THE TIME TO BUY IS NOW.  Blogger went on to a new site, Soot and Ashes, only to abandon it in April, 2010.  Last few posts were getting pretty fried at Tea Party members.
  • Knifecatchers (Alameda) – A recent entry just 3 weeks ago, but posting is sporadic.  Definitely snarky, and they’re reading us.
  • Marin Real Estate Bubble – Last entry, December 2009. 
  • Marin POS Blog – Last entry, August 2009 but it was done by the end of 2006.  Now this was a snarky blog for the Land of Mellow, and I’m sorry the writer lost interest.  Yes, POS stands for exactly what you think it stands for.  This is the site that called an Eichler what it needs to be called: Ickler
  • Mr, Mortgage – ML Implode – Why you’re screwed.  Last post, January 2009.  Says he was moving the site.  He already had moved once, from here in 2008.  Mark Hanson seems to like moving his blog, as he posted here for a few months, and then here… abandoning that one too.  Maybe he just can’t get along with anybody.
  • Property Lines (SF) – Not updated much last 2 years. 
  • Rancid Truth – Orange County Real Estate Blog – Last entry, July 2010.  The title says it all: definitely a dollop of acid in those home descriptions.
  • Sacramento Landing – Mentioned above, it’s dying.
  • Santa Barbara Housing Bubble Blog – Last entry, June 2008.
  • San Mateo Home Sellers in Trouble – Specific breakdown of financial ruin on San Mateo county properties, with last update in September, 2009.  The blogger’s main site, The Baglady, still updates occasionally, but not much specific about real estate.
  • Silicon Valley Real Estate Blog – This is the site that won Zillow’s best real estate blog in San Jose.  Obviously they won it because our fans only nominated us for one region (yeah, we won too).  At least this site posts something once a month or so, unlike a certain agent in San Francisco.  What is it with the other entrants in this contest?  The San Jose runner up isn’t updating much either.
  • Sonoma Housing Bubble – Last entry, October 2008.  Noticing a pattern?

Let’s leave you with some good news.  Not only is Burbed still here, these sites are still here too, and if you haven’t given them a look, please wander on over.  Bonus: some of them aren’t in the blogroll yet!

These blogs are generalist real estate sites, follow a market outside the Real Bay Area or don’t follow places within commuting distance of it.  But that’s okay.  Reading them reminds us why It’s Special Here!

  • Bubble Info – Jim Klinge (Jim the Realtor) – North San Diego real estate.  Useful information without sugar-coating from an actual real estate agent.
  • Bubble Meter – National housing bubble blog.   Among other recent news items, price stagnation until 2014.  Oh boy!
  • Charles Hugh Smith – Of Two Minds – Economics and Markets affect YOU
  • Dr. Housing Bubble – Southern California implosion site, including recurring feature “Real Homes of Genius.”
  • Housing Bubble Blog – Nationwide – Everyone thinks its’ Special there.  Unfortunately most days are just comment collectors.  This site used to have bubble news from all over every day.  No easy archive links, either.
  • Housing Bubble Hall of Shame – Last entry was a month ago. Features homes with vanishing equity, strategic mortgage walkers, plus people with too much educational deb.  Not a blog you’d use the word “kind” to describe.  They link to us. ‘Nuff said.
  • Housing Doom – Still there, still sharing bad news.
  • Housing Kaboom – Inland Empire bubble site – Owner took a brief break but is hopefully back to keeping us updated.  High snark factor, little respect for real estate professionals.  What a shame.
  • Housing Opportunity Index from NAHB, new reports released when they want.
  • Irvine Housing Blog – Mouth gapes open in sheer amazement as borrower after borrower maxed out their home equity and property values dropped 40%.  If you only read one bubble site, read this one.
  • Jim Kunstler – This is the guy who called the whole housing crash.  Everyone at the time said he was nuts.
  • Long Beach Housing Blog – Real Estate in the LBC –  Snark meets rude in a Long Beach bubble site that never met an editor calling for a 500 word limit.  This site is one of the few real estate blogs funnier than Burbed.
  • Mortgage Lender Implode-O-Meter – Bad News Every Day!  Former home of Mr. Mortgage.
  • Portland Housing Blog – Oregon – In-depth coverage of Portland and national real estate trends.  A good place to get sense of how out-of-whack our prices and economy are with almost everywhere else on the planet.
  • Santa Monica Distress Monitor – The post-bubble site that says “This place is Special, don’t expect any bargains!”  Sound familiar?
  • Seattle Bubble – Includes monthly “Actual Listing Photos” feature sent in by readers.  At Burbed you only get to enjoy crappy real estate photography one house at a time!

And let’s finish up this post with the local sites still going into 2011!

  • Altos Research Blog – Analysis that only a graph geek could love, and so much of it!  A national site right in our back yard.
  • Cupertino Housing Blog – It hasn’t listed a house for sale since July, but it’s still being updated with various news clips related to housing, the economy, and the occasional Cupertino Schools piece.  Then again, it missed a huge CUSD item: Eisenhower and Stocklmeir elementary schools are now holding lotteries for admission… for the people who live in their attendance zones.  (And as to why I don’t list the blog who caught that item?  If they can’t be bothered to date their entries, that means they’re trying to hide how few they have.  11 for all of last year… color us not impressed.)
  • Flippers in Trouble – Sacramento – If you crave watching red ink spill, you’ll love this site. 
  • Healdsburg Housing Bubble (Sonoma County) – Looks like I’m late to the party.  This excellent site is winding down as of this week.  Blogger ran it for a year because he couldn’t stand all the misinformation put out by the real estate industry.  Clearly influenced by some of our favorite sites, and enough useful information that the major econ blogs linked to it.
  • On the BlockThe San Francisco Chronicle still has a real estate blog, unlike the Merc or the LA Times.
  • Patrick.netThe site for bubble news.  Unrelenting negativity will convince you now is the time to burn your house down for the insurance money and go live in a refrigerator box.  Or at least now is the time to sell.  Warning: owner is running a pledge drive.
  • Redfin SF – Bay Area Sweet Digs, this is Redfin’s local updates and stats, stats, stats!
  • San Francisco Real Estate Blog – Bill Quick’s take on the market.  Appropriately snarky yet informed.
  • SF Curbed – A little more on the gossip than the SF Real Estate Blog, nice pictures, plenty of useful info in the comments, too. 
  • SocketSite – The third of the trio of informative San Francisco blogs and probably the most informative.  Quite frankly one of these three should have won best real estate blog in SF and we should have gotten the nod for San Jose.
  • The Front Steps – Another SF site, and why no updates in three weeks? When you blog in your mom’s basement, you don’t get a whole month off!

And that site crowing over 750 real estate blogs?  Their last entry was Valentine’s Day, 2009, expressing relief that Pittsburgh wasn’t named one of Forbes’ Ten Most Miserable Cities.

Comments (85) -- Posted by: madhaus @ 5:16 am

85 Responses to “The Decline and Fall of the Real Estate Bubble Site”

  1. World Spinner Says:

    The Decline and Fall of the Real Estate Bubble Site | Burbed.com…

    Here at World Spinner we are debating the same thing……

  2. Gena Riede Says:

    Thanks for the call-out for Sacramento Real Estate Voice. And yes, the Sacramento real estate blog is updated every week since 2006.

    I was surprised with your list…had no idea so many have been abandoned.

  3. CB Says:

    I get the feeling a simple idea snowballed into a novel here, but thanks. If you wrote this on a new years hangover there should be a Pulitzer nod.

    I have enjoyed the evolution the Dr Housing Bubble blog most. His blog has been a real history of the several stages of emotions a mad person goes through. He started tongue and cheeky but a little heated that his SoCal cohorts wouldn’t listen to him. In 2008 he found some peace in relevancy. But for the greater part of this year my occasional visits reveal an out of control crazy person who is livid that nuke bomb hasn’t decimated his local RE economy yielding Culver City McMansions for $80K. I think of him as a zealot with a big sign reading “God Hates Equity, Prepare for His Wrath”.

    Mark Hansen (Mr Mortgage) has been hard to track. Seemed like he was changing his site every month to shake all those angry renter commenters, and improve his image as a respected consultant.

    Don’t forget Diana Olick’s “Reality Check” at CNBC. She’s been solid and one of the few collecting a main stream media paycheck who get it.

  4. nomadic Says:

    I think Alex’s bid for the site will be $5 after this. ;-)

    Is it just me, or is everyone getting all sorts of Trojan virus warnings from IHB?

  5. Petsmart Groomer Says:

    burbed.com is still here but where is burbed?

  6. The Gilroy Alex Says:

    Damn. You put some work into this. Ditto on the Pulitzer nod.

    I’d surely offer you $5 Tuesday for this site today, if I could spare the $5. But then I think of the 50 little homeless .22 hollowpoint rounds languishing in the cold hard display case at Big-5 that I could free from their imprisonment with that $5 and take home to my warm and loving bunker …… (In reality, on a rural place, the humble .22 is a tool.)

    The reason this site will live forever is that we have faith. Those other sites doubted that RE would go up forever and ever and EVAR. We KNOW it will. You see, we have Real Estator. Does anyone else have Real Estator? Noooo…. but we do! When the finger sandwiches at the typical Open House are as stale and unappetizing as the morning offerings at the Hotel Panamericanos in mid-90s Cuba (take 2 open-facers left over from the night together and stick together topping to topping….. ignore the curling bread) we will still have our Real Estator, and our faith.

  7. Real Estater Says:

    Nice site, Gena. I love Midtown Sacramento. Beautiful trees, historic homes, and trendy restaurants. Anyone from Palo Alto would feel right at home there. When the economic fortune turns for the better in Sacramento, this area should be worth a lot more than what it’s selling for right now.

  8. Real Estater Says:

    Not sure why there’s an Irvine Bubble Blog. The area is known to be very popular due to good schools and economic viability. Demographics trend is positive with lots of rich Asian immigrants settling there. There’s really no sense of downturn that I could see. The examples given in the blog are mostly cherry picked from either the very high end or from certain condo stock.

  9. Real Estater Says:

    From the Cupertino blog:

    According to a new rules in Cupertino School district there will be a kindergarten lottery for Stocklmeir and Eisenhower Elementary Schools even the kid lives in the school attendance area. It is very upsetting for a new homeowners who had to fight through multiple offers to buy a house in the neighbourhoods Cupertino Villas, Enclave and Pruneridge Villas condos and townhomes and now must participate in the lottery to get into the local public school.

    This is what happens when you build too much high density housing in a area without considering the impact on schools. The lottery system should only be applicable to renters. If you own a home in the district and pay property taxes, there’s no reason why you should not be able to attend the school in your area.

  10. SEA Says:

    #8 – When a homeowner has a problem, there are two standard items to turn to: Drano and light bulbs. Cannot think of much else.

    And then there is the more absurd, “The lottery system should only be applicable to renters. If you own a home in the district and pay property taxes, there’s no reason why you should not be able to attend the school in your area.”

    Hm. If I remember right, renters pay all the property taxes–it’s included in the rent.

  11. CB Says:

    The lottery system should only be applicable to renters.

    I think priority given to time lived in district, regardless of owner status is more equitable.

    I think your idea would be funny if applied. Consider a divorce with no chance in hell of that PA that mortgage being paid on one income, house sells, parents rent separately, and little Madison and Taylor ship to the ghetto.

  12. Real Estater Says:

    >>Hm. If I remember right, renters pay all the property taxes–it’s included in the rent.

    It doesn’t matter. Renters have no legal ownership. If we have to prioritize, it’s a very straightforward way to draw the line.

  13. SEA Says:

    Makes me wonder, Why do renters get to vote?

  14. DreamT Says:

    why don’t permanent residents get to vote?

  15. CB Says:

    Renters have no legal ownership

    Which isn’t a requirement for attending public schools. Next…

    BTW, were rentals even included in the Color of Palo Alto?

  16. SEA Says:

    An owner who is a permanent resident not being allowed to vote? What could be worse?

  17. DreamT Says:

    You can own local property and reside it in on an H1b – nothing illegal about that and I know several examples. Call it either gutsy or admirably optimistic.

  18. SEA Says:

    “You can own local property and reside it in on an H1b ”

    Are you suggesting they should vote?

  19. DreamT Says:

    From the moment you can be drafted (and must register to the SSS), you should be allowed to vote. So H1b, no, but green card holders, yet.

  20. DreamT Says:

    actually I’m unclear whether H1b are exempt for mandatory SSS registration or not. F1 are exempt for sure.

  21. DreamT Says:

    just to be extra clear, I’d also favor the alternative of dropping non-citizenry from the mandatory military draft. The arguments for the 26th amendment linked voting rights with duty to fight for the country (from wikipedia: “Congress and the state legislatures felt increasing pressure to pass the Constitutional amendment because of the Vietnam War, in which many young men who were ineligible to vote were conscripted to fight in the war, thus lacking any means to influence the people sending them off to risk their lives. “Old enough to fight, old enough to vote,” was a common slogan used by proponents of lowering the voting age. The slogan traced its roots to World War II, when President Franklin D. Roosevelt lowered the military draft age to eighteen.”) Makes about as much sense as presuming that unless a citizen is born on American “soil” (s)he is unfit to be US president.

  22. SEA Says:

    Let’s be honest: Only renters should be drafted. :-)

  23. CB Says:

    ..makes about as much sense as presuming that unless a citizen is born on American “soil” (s)he is unfit to be US president.

    I like the requirement, mostly because I haven’t heard of a Mexican born leader who shouldn’t be in jail.

  24. DreamT Says:

    CB – straight from the KKK book, except they weren’t talking about Mexicans

  25. CB Says:

    I predicted that response, DT. My wife’s parents were born in Mexico.

    Perhaps you should visit Mexico. Consider the ethnic majority projected in 30 years, as well as the thought of having a Mexican national leading America. This is not a racist qualm, and you have a lot to be desired upstairs for insinuating so.

  26. DreamT Says:

    CB – I stand by my comment. My reference to KKK was not about racism but about the false belief that some cultures, nationalities or ethnicities are superior than others, i.e. better apt at leading and making decisions. My faith in democracy, education and equality must bother you if you consider it something that “leaves to be desired”.

  27. Pralay Says:

    Not sure why there’s an Irvine Bubble Blog. The area is known to be very popular due to good schools and economic viability.
    —-

    The problem is that Irvine has a vast amount of land without an industrial base like BA has.

  28. Pralay Says:

    actually I’m unclear whether H1b are exempt for mandatory SSS registration or not.
    —-

    H1 and L1 are still falls into non-immigrant visa category, hence SSS registration is not a requirement.

  29. Alex Says:

    Holy verbal, or written, diarrhea.

    #3, burbed would be lucky if I offer $3 for this blog now.

  30. Pralay Says:

    I love Midtown Sacramento. Beautiful trees, historic homes, and trendy restaurants. Anyone from Palo Alto would feel right at home there.
    —–

    Sacramento? Many people living there don’t even want to be there, but ended up there because they couldn’t afford BA. Even those sore losers don’t feel home in their own homes in Sacramento. How could a Palo Alto resident would feel home there?

  31. CB Says:

    My faith in democracy, education and equality must bother you if you consider it something that “leaves to be desired”.

    Nope. It’s the fact that democracy, education and equality are in short supply in Mexico that bothers me.

    But thanks for standing your knee-jerk reaction after having time to mull it over.

    Your position, rejected.

  32. DreamT Says:

    CB – we were talking about American citizens’ ability to become US president. Maybe what’s bothering you are the low standards to become a US citizen? and you chose to target nationals from another country as a means to express a concern about US’ current laws.
    In any case, I have no further comment, Mr. “My Wife is from there therefore I’m right and you’re wrong”

  33. CB Says:

    No, DT. You’re wrong because you sling charges of racism before taking time to think about a statement. What you post from here on out is irrelevant because you revealed yourself to be a reactionary thinker on this issue.

    It took you four words into your response before invoking the KKK insinuation, then when called on it you retreat and dutifully attempt to take the high road by tossing around back-patting ideals like “democracy” and “education”, concepts I doubt you even understand in the context of this topic.

    Mexico is not a desirable model for a nation to take. Our population growth in the foreseeable future will be comprised of people 0-1 generations removed from Mexico, and I believe that if a Mexican national were allowed to run for office at that point, the priorities of the United States run the risk of becoming secondary the cultural majority.

    If it were Greeks, Germans, French Canadiens or the Brits my thoughts would be exactly the same.

    But please, elaborate on your genius that exceeds Madison, Hamilton, et al.

  34. Real Estater Says:

    Not sure how this conversation degenerated into the political black hole. Can we all get along?

    Back to real estate…I never said renters can’t vote or shouldn’t attend school. However, if resources are limited, the priority should be to give those who pay property taxes the privilege (note I said privilege, not a right) to attend their neighborhood school. If there’s any space leftover, those can be given to renters.

  35. Pralay Says:

    However, if resources are limited, the priority should be to give those who pay property taxes the privilege (note I said privilege, not a right) to attend their neighborhood school.
    —–

    Unfortunately, the world does not revolve around your opinion. :(

  36. no estater Says:

    Getting close – priority should follow the real RBA spirit; in other words, those who pay the highest property taxes (yes, the most recent buyers) should get precedence. To the richest go the spoils!

  37. DreamT Says:

    CB – You’re wasting our time. I do not suggest to change the “model for the US to take” to copy Mexico, nor did I reference KKK to insinuate racism (and I made this clear), nor do I consider democracy or education as “back-patting” ideals. I understand you’re irritated, but you should read my posts carefully before responding.
    Frankly, not sure which is more repellent – your stance on the topic, or your intellectual dishonesty when conversing.

  38. Pralay Says:

    Getting close – priority should follow the real RBA spirit; in other words, those who pay the highest property taxes (yes, the most recent buyers) should get precedence. To the richest go the spoils!
    —-

    Actually, public school should adopt private school model – those who have fat checkbooks get their kids admitted. Why paying $5000 mortgage to bank? Pay that money to school – directly.

  39. CB Says:

    Intellectual dishonesty?

    Dream T: My reference to KKK was not about racism but about the false belief that some cultures, nationalities or ethnicities are superior than others

    Webster Definition of RACISM
    1. a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

    And there’s no “our time” being wasted on this DT. You are all alone on this.

  40. CB Says:

    DT, you really have nothing left to stand by here. I suppose that if you think you can toss “KKK” around while not insinuating racism then I suppose you feel you can do anything, so I look forward to your next statement. But please drop the patitudes.

  41. DreamT Says:

    CB – by all means don’t stand by

  42. Pralay Says:

    Mexicans, KKK,…..(put anything here)…all agree that Real Estater is the Real Leader. He is the only person fit to be President. Just ask John The Baptist.

  43. theFrontSteps Says:

    Hah hah! Good stuff. I’m actually still here and will kick up more frequent posts just as soon as I get the time. I have a new project you’ll want to watch, http://www.PocketListings.net.

    Good post.
    alex

  44. Real Estater Says:

    Let’s face it. Mexicans and KKK pose no issue for Silicon valley. It’s the Indians who are taking American jobs away. All those software jobs in local tech companies being held by H1B’s could have been held by Americans who are out of work. Why do we have any H1B working here when there is over 10% unemployment in Silicon Valley? In addition, every American should be mad about the fact that American companies continue to hire overseas while ditching workers here.

  45. sfbubblebuyer Says:

    #33 : Don’t be ridiculous. It should be rationed by IQ tests administered to the kids. The ones who can actually USE the education should get it. The dum-dums can go to a crap school and learn how flip burgers.

    Or, the owners and renters that want to go to the schools can pay extra levies to expand the schools to have enough capacity to take all the kids.

  46. nomadic Says:

    Sorry, Front Steps, this blog has it’s full share of Alex’s. You’ll have to change your name. ;-)

    Not to mention that bit on your site about “keeping FSBOs out.” The real estate racket needs to be reformed.

  47. Real Estater Says:

    #44 The owners already pay parcel taxes. They have every reason to go to their neighborhood school.

    Why is it ridiculous to get something that you paid for? The renters are like H1B’s. They are transient guests of the community. If there is a shortage of community resources they should be the last to get it.

  48. CB Says:

    They are transient guests of the community.

    Estater, You’re trolling, I know, but I think the spirit of the rule is to not take people’s residency situation out on their children.

    Consider that I have a relative who has owned three $1.5 mil homes in the bay area over the past decade. She probably has paid more in property tax than I have on my mortgage. And my next door neighbor had rented her home twice as long as I’ve owned mine.

    Who’s the transient guest?

  49. Real Estater Says:

    CB,

    This is not about taking things out on children. It’s about fairness. A lot of these folks come rent in CUSD or PAUSD just to send their children to the schools. As a result, the schools are overflowing. Those people who paid millions to live in these neighborhoods have to go to a lottery with these renters? That’s balony.

  50. Pralay Says:

    They are transient guests of the community.
    —-

    I am pretty sure many Palo Alto residents who are living there for decades would consider (provided their logic is as bad as yours) you as transient guest too.

  51. Pralay Says:

    Those people who paid millions to live in these neighborhoods have to go to a lottery with these renters?
    —–

    Poor Real Estater. Suddenly he woke up and realized that one can send his/her kids to PAUSD without paying millions. Real Estater, I know you are not so bright, but this realization is quite an achievement.

    Residency is residency. If a John Doe rented a home in Palo Alto in 2003, he rented for very same reason you bought your home in 2003 – send his kids to PAUSD. Home-ownership does not count. Too bad! :(

  52. Real Estater Says:

    #50,

    No, it’s not a new revelation, nor is it even a relevant point. We are talking about when the schools cannot accomodate everyone, who should have priority.

  53. anon Says:

    Have fun working to educate the local transients and renters, RE.

  54. sfbubblebuyer Says:

    #51: Fortunately, you aren’t in charge of deciding who gets into schools. Also, the renters pay parcel taxes via their rent for the absentee owners, so your arguments on owners getting priority is completely moot.

  55. Real Estater Says:

    #53,

    Go read up on the parcel tax laws. Legal language is very precise. It says nothing about renters paying. Renters pay rent, period. If they ever amend the parcel tax law to include renters, then renters need to pay such tax to the government directly.

  56. nomadic Says:

    #54, hasn’t this already been covered ad nauseum? The owners pay the parcel tax. According to your posts a few days ago, the property owner passes this expense on to the renter. Longer ago, you stated the opposite. Now, which is it? Make up your mind.

  57. Real Estater Says:

    >>According to your posts a few days ago, the property owner passes this expense on to the renter. Longer ago, you stated the opposite. Now, which is it? Make up your mind.

    Reading comprehension problem? Even though the owner may pass the expense on to the renter, the renter still hasn’t paid any tax. I never said anything that represented the opposite.

  58. Pralay Says:

    We are talking about when the schools cannot accomodate everyone, who should have priority.
    —–

    Too bad home-ownership translates to priority. :(

  59. Pralay Says:

    Correction in #57: Too bad home-ownership DOESN’T translate to priority. :(

    But keep hoping with your finger crossed, Real Estater. Someday it might just happen.

  60. Pralay Says:

    Even though the owner may pass the expense on to the renter, the renter still hasn’t paid any tax.
    —-

    And paying parcel tax does not translate to priority. Again, too bad for Real Estater. :(

  61. sonarrat Says:

    #56: The owner of a rental property in a specific school district is not entitled to send his kids to that district, because he does not reside there. Even if there is no transferral of tax burden, there is a sacrifice of, and transferral of, residency rights.

  62. Pralay Says:

    #60, your reasonable and logical explanation is going to futile. Because the person you are trying to explain wants to bend the rule whenever he sees fits. Here another parent in Palo Alto does not like lottery system either. This mom wants her PRIORITY based on the proximity to school. I am pretty sure many other parents have their own sense of nonsensical “fairness” and “priority”.

  63. madEstater Says:

    #35 has the right idea. Look, the problem is all those townhouse and condo people overcrowding the schools, right? The blog that discussed the problem at Stocklmeir and Eisenhower schools (mandatory lottery this year for all residents intending to enroll children in kindergarten) specifically mentioned properties that had one bedroom units. We know people bought one bedroom units despite having children, just so they could attend these schools.

    My solution is that all applicants must list their home configuration when applying for kindergarten. The more bedrooms per person, the higher the priority on the lottery. Thus, if I lived in one of those attendance areas I would get a priority of 1.0 (4 bedroom house, 4 people in the house). #56 would have a lower priority for having a 3 bedroom house with 4 people (0.75). The way to ensure getting your kids into school: 6 bedroom house, 1 kid! To improve your odds even more, divorce your spouse and kick him/her to the curb! 2 people, 6 bedrooms? Priority 3.0!!!

    Anyway, all those people packed in like spicy sardines in chili oil? 4 people, 1 bedroom? Priority 0.25.

    Everyone gets their lottery number, then it is divided by their priority. So if someone from Sardine Villas got lottery number 2, dividing by 0.25 results in lucky number 8, still gets the kid into kindergarten. Someone from chez madEstater needs a lottery number lower than number of kindergarten spots, let’s say 124 for 4 full kindergartens. Now if #56 above got lottery number 124 instead of me, too bad. Divide by priority 0.75 and it becomes lottery number 165. So sorry, no kindergarten nearby for you! We have room for you ten miles away at John Muir.

    Watch the cost of 5 and 6 bedroom houses skyrocket, too! Win-win-win!

  64. DreamT Says:

    I find that lottery alternative pretty lame. I’d favor larger class sizes and stricter verification of place of residence before seeing children diverted to another school.
    That said, if one falls within Eisenhower area (as I do) and loses on the lottery (as I’ll only know in three years), wouldn’t the alternate school also be in the same school district? I.e., as far as property taxes go, what’s the big deal?

  65. madhaus Says:

    Yes, the alternate school would be in CUSD. But your child would be sent “where there is space,” and there’s no telling how far away that could be. I believe overflow from Stocklmeir was going to John Muir in the past years. Most of CUSD enrollment growth has been north of Stevens Creek Blvd.

    I don’t know what the issue is with Eisenhower, but Stocklmeir is over-enrolled because CUSD tore down the other 2 schools in that area and SOLD THE LAND to developers. So they cannot reopen those schools now that enrollment has returned to baby-boom levels. They no longer exist.

  66. Real Estater Says:

    >>I find that lottery alternative pretty lame.

    Totally agree.

    >>That said, if one falls within Eisenhower area (as I do) and loses on the lottery (as I’ll only know in three years), wouldn’t the alternate school also be in the same school district?

    But it won’t be Eisenhower. The reason your house is worth more than say Pralay’s area has a lot to do with Eisenhower. Would you send your kid to any Santa Clara school? I wouldn’t. If this continues, I’d move if I were you.

  67. DreamT Says:

    there are no other CUSD elementary schools in Santa Clara, so my point is that wouldn’t come up

  68. Real Estater Says:

    DreamT,

    Bottom line: You live in a good neighborhood, but still too close to “middle-class hell”. Too much risk of being forced into the wrong crowd. Plan on renting the place out in 3 years and relocating to the peninsula.

  69. madhaus Says:

    #66 — you would get another school in CUSD, regardless of what city it is in. And CUSD encompasses rather a lot of them.

  70. Pralay Says:

    Plan on renting the place out in 3 years and relocating to the peninsula.
    —–

    I recommend Tracy.

  71. DreamT Says:

    RE, call me shallow but when I did a tentative “crowd” evaluation experiment by comparing the feel at many local grocery stores, I did not find a nicer crowd than on the Safeway at Homestead//Kiely (by far – and I generally abhor that chain). Imagine a random old lady shopping at Piazza’s (they’re always exceedingly nice). Now imagine that all teens, young families and shoppers in their 50s shopping there are just as nice – smiling, freely speaking as if they’ve been knowing you, always making room as you pass, etc. Everybody. I found no other place on the peninsula with such a consistent experience.
    I’ll take a wholesome & happy neighborhood over a busier & more selfish one any day – not to prejudge about your own neighborhood, which may well be as nice, but most parts of Sunnyvale, Mountain View and Los Altos fall short in that regard.

  72. Pralay Says:

    Now imagine that all teens, young families and shoppers in their 50s shopping there are just as nice – smiling, freely speaking as if they’ve been knowing you, always making room as you pass, etc. Everybody.
    —–

    But do you get respect at your workplace? I am sure not.

  73. SEA Says:

    “Imagine a random old lady shopping at Piazza’s (they’re always exceedingly nice). Now imagine that all teens, young families and shoppers in their 50s shopping there are just as nice – smiling, freely speaking as if they’ve been knowing you, always making room as you pass, etc. Everybody. I found no other place on the peninsula with such a consistent experience.”

    Here I thought my imagination worked equally well in both areas. I know that upon entering into the RBA funny things happen, but I never knew my imagination was at risk outside of the RBA.

  74. Real Estater Says:

    DreamT,

    I think you’ll find PA to be more relaxed than Homestead/Kiely. Typically this is the case the further away you are from middle-class hell. During the day you’ll see people walking dogs and hanging around to chat at local coffee shops. Not everyone needs to work here, and those that do are not likely to be around anyways.

  75. madhaus Says:

    Imagine how relaxed it is in a place like Mendota, where nobody has to work because there aren’t any jobs.

  76. SEA Says:

    Mendota? Life is far better in Tranquillity.

  77. Alex Says:

    Real Estater spewed: Back to real estate…I never said renters can’t vote or shouldn’t attend school. However, if resources are limited, the priority should be to give those who pay property taxes the privilege (note I said privilege, not a right) to attend their neighborhood school. If there’s any space leftover, those can be given to renters.

    Wrong, you numbnut. The people who pay the highest income taxes get first dibs. Your kids should be going to school in East San Jose somewhere.

  78. Pralay Says:

    Typically this is the case the further away you are from middle-class hell. During the day you’ll see people walking dogs and hanging around to chat at local coffee shops.
    —-

    Yes, DreamT. You must get out of your “middle-class hell”. Buy something in a neighborhood where you don’t fit in, walk your dog, hang around to chat at local coffee shops and pretend that you bought your home “decades ago”.

  79. Real Estater Says:

    Where is the par-tay, Pra-lay?

  80. Ryan Lundquist Says:

    This is quite the list. I know this post must have taken quite a bit of time. It’s too bad the “going strong in 2011″ list is so short. I run an appraisal blog and it’s constantly updated. My blog is only about two years old, but I have about 400 posts so far.

  81. Real Estater Says:

    Here’s another blog that ran out of luck last year…

  82. Robert Jones Says:

    I just checked 10 of the links listed above, 4/10 is actually still active and blogging about real estate. Perhaps that’s a sign that the market is coming back a little bit?

  83. Surveyor Birmingham, ALabama Says:

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  84. Corona CA REALTORS Says:

    This is a great list! Its really quite sad how many real estate professionals, companies and other related jobs vanished when the market crashed. Let’s keep working and improving!

    Who is this “us” you are directing to keep working and improving? Maybe you need to read the rest of our site. It’s really quite sad how many real estate professionals’ URLs vanished when their spam crashed. –ed.

  85. John Says:

    It’s a shame these blogs have failed or just gone away. Blogs are a great way to educate home owners and allow realtors to share information and knowledge. Glad you’re still here and providing great stuff.


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